Hollow points vs. Round nose for target practice

aomiii · Post by **aomiii** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 2:38 pm

I have a new MK III Hunter and recently put its first 150 rounds through it with 0 problems(CCI Mini Mags- round nose). Yesterday I went to my local sporting goods store and bought 200 rounds for more fun. When I got home I realized that they sold me Mini Mag hollow points(same price-$6.99 box of 100). My question to the Forum is should I exchange them or will these work just fine in my MK III Hunter? I'm shooting at an indoor range at 13 yards. Thanks in advance.

toyfj40 · Post by **toyfj40** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 2:56 pm

I doubt that you'll notice any difference at all...

If you are shooting squirrels/pests at 30,40,50 yards
with a rifle, you may find that the hollow-pt will open up
just a little and deliver a tad-more "impact" on the victim...

From your pistol, even with a Chrony to measure the muzzle-velocity
I doubt that CCI has much difference in the two cartridges...

(that's how I found that MiniMags came in a HP... by accident)

enjoy your pistol and shoot a variety of ammo, something may
deliver a little more consistency thru your barrel. I find Federal
and CCI to work best and cleanest for me. Good Luck.

Post by **Bullseye** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 2:57 pm

The cartridges will fire fine but feeding may be a problem. Rugers typically aren't tolerant of hollowpoints, lots of ramp strike jams. Your pistol may work fine with these rounds - your choice.

R,
Bullseye

jjfunk · Post by **jjfunk** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:15 pm

In my babies, the hollow points (except Remington Goldens) fire about the same as the round nosed ammos. RGB's give me the biggest pain in the but with ramp strikes, mainly due to the fact that the hole in the nose of the bullet is too big. Something to ponder though, after putting a Pac-Lite on my wife's MKIII lower, it LOVED the Goldens. I think that they use a longer feed ramp over at Tactical Solutions or something. Kinda an expensive way to get better feeding with hollow-point ammo, but hey, if you have a couple cases of stuff that may be the way to justify a custom upper....

And I wonder why she is going to stay with the in-laws all summer..... LOL

greener · Post by **greener** » Sun Jul 15, 2007 11:38 pm

The only problem I've had with ramp strike has been with RGB's and only the first round in the mag if I disremember to cock the first round up.

The hollow points I've fired do well for target practice. Most hollow points are high velocity and I get a bit wider groups. If I'm going for tight groups, I shoot standard velocity ammuntion. CCI SV ammo seems to give me the best reproducibility and tighter groups.

toyfj40 · Post by **toyfj40** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 12:05 am

greener wrote:Most hollow points are high velocity and I get a bit wider groups. If I'm going for tight groups, I shoot standard velocity ammuntion. CCI SV ammo seems to give me the best reproducibility and tighter groups.

... yeah, what HE said...

I'm coming to like the Aquila-40gr-SubSonic rounds in my bolt/lever rifles
for the same reasons... I just haven't encountered any of those paper-targets
that need much extra Bullet-Energy for penetration...
It's a lot like watching a basket-ball-shooter... pause... arch the ball into the hoop,
to hit-the-mark...
not like the pitcher on the mound that slings a screaming 100mph fastball
over the plate, to avoid-a-hit...

greener · Post by **greener** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 7:16 am

Saturday, I was admiring another shooter's long guns at the range. One was a custom, single shot .22 with Leupold sights. He was shooting Minimag HP's and getting fairly good groups. I gave him a handfull of CCI SV's to try. He brought back a one-ragged hole target.

Blindpig · Post by **Blindpig** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 10:36 am

I've run about a gazillion Federal hollow-points thru my Mark II with very few FTF's but I also keep the ramp polished on it. Better groups result from the use of CCI SV's. My CZ 452 American is pretty picky about it's ammo and will only shoot the really small groups with CCI Green Tag. It's about in the same category as a high-maintenance wife or girlfriend in that it only likes the most expensive stuff!

toyfj40 · Post by **toyfj40** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 11:44 am

Blindpig wrote:It's about in the same category as a high-maintenance wife or girlfriend in that it only likes the most expensive stuff!

I guess you could be thankful your CZ doesn't require RWS, Lapua or Eley.

The Top Ten Reasons Men Prefer Firearms Over Women
#10. You can trade an old 44 for a new 22.
#9. You can keep one firearm at home and
have another for when you're on the road.
#8. If you admire a friend's firearm and tell him so,
he will probably let you try it out a few times.
#7. Your primary firearm doesn't mind if you keep another firearm for a backup.
#6. Your firearm will stay with you even if you run out of ammo.
#5. A firearm doesn't take up a lot of closet space.
#4. Firearms function normally every day of the month.
#3. A firearm doesn't ask , "Do these new grips make me look fat?"
#2. A firearm doesn't mind if you go to sleep after you use it.
And the number one reason a firearm is favored over a woman...
#1. You can get a SILENCER for a firearm.

greener · Post by **greener** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 12:50 pm

Toy, you obviously haven't shot a Walther P22. Makes SWMBO look untemperamental.

Just to warm the cockles of your heart, toy, the $1000 custom .22 wasn' tshooting any better groups than I get with my Glenfield Mod 60 and $20 Walmart scope at the distance we were shooting. I'm sure it does better at longer distances. I can also see why Leupold scopes are given such high ratings.

toyfj40 · Post by **toyfj40** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 1:08 pm

greener wrote:Toy, you obviously haven't shot a Walther P22. Makes SWMBO look untemperamental.

Just to warm the cockles of your heart, toy, the $1000 custom .22 wasn' t shooting any better groups than I get with my Glenfield Mod 60 and $20 Walmart scope at the distance we were shooting. I'm sure it does better at longer distances. I can also see why Leupold scopes are given such high ratings.

You're right, I've not handled a P22... but they sure are "cute"

which, I guess, makes for a good analogy.

plenty of time as 'Range Officer' is a good way to learn that the $$
firearm at the line does not correlate to the tight-group-size at 50y or 100y.
As I've posted before, there are Five factors for Accuracy:
1. Shooter
2. Shooter
3. Shooter
4. Ammo
5. FireArm
and I'm still working on the first-two...

Blindpig · Post by **Blindpig** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 3:30 pm

toyfj40 wrote:
Blindpig wrote:It's about in the same category as a high-maintenance wife or girlfriend in that it only likes the most expensive stuff!
I guess you could be thankful your CZ doesn't require RWS, Lapua or Eley.

The Top Ten Reasons Men Prefer Firearms Over Women
#10. You can trade an old 44 for a new 22.
#9. You can keep one firearm at home and
have another for when you're on the road.
#8. If you admire a friend's firearm and tell him so,
he will probably let you try it out a few times.
#7. Your primary firearm doesn't mind if you keep another firearm for a backup.
#6. Your firearm will stay with you even if you run out of ammo.
#5. A firearm doesn't take up a lot of closet space.
#4. Firearms function normally every day of the month.
#3. A firearm doesn't ask , "Do these new grips make me look fat?"
#2. A firearm doesn't mind if you go to sleep after you use it.
And the number one reason a firearm is favored over a woman...
#1. You can get a SILENCER for a firearm.

Toy, you're the only guy I know that uses all that exotic stuff! Are you sure you're not just making those names up?

And you'd better make sure your wife doesn't see that list or you'll be out there sleeping with your old bird dog! Or maybe you'll have to call up BearandOldMan and see if he'll take you in!

toyfj40 · Post by **toyfj40** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 4:27 pm

Blindpig wrote:It's about in the same category as a high-maintenance wife or girlfriend in that it only likes the most expensive stuff!

ToyFJ40 wrote:I guess you could be thankful your CZ doesn't require RWS, Lapua or Eley.

BlindPig wrote:Toy, you're the only guy I know that uses all that exotic stuff!
Are you sure you're not just making those names up?

And you'd better make sure your wife doesn't see that list or you'll be out there sleeping with your old bird dog! Or maybe you'll have to call up BearandOldMan and see if he'll take you in!

I can't make stuff up like THAT!! 'SealKiller' has been quiet a long time(job change),
he was out on the cutting edge of that stuff...
FYI: here's an article from about a year ago that tells to what lengths
Eley has gone to perfect their ammo...
http://www.ShootingTimes.com/ammunition ... index.html

Actually, I don't "use them"... I do have a few 'sample' boxes of the
Cheaper-Eley-stuff, but that's just to impress the "Range-Groupies",
while I'm actually loading Fed-Champions...

as for the list... That ain't nothing to what comes back at me!!!
Warning/Obscene: http://www.JokesAndHumor.com/jokes/188.html

I doubt that 'Bear' would have anything to do with me,
but 'OldMan' might be a little sympathetic...

greener · Post by **greener** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:17 pm

toyfj40 wrote:
greener wrote:Toy, you obviously haven't shot a Walther P22. Makes SWMBO look untemperamental.

Just to warm the cockles of your heart, toy, the $1000 custom .22 wasn' t shooting any better groups than I get with my Glenfield Mod 60 and $20 Walmart scope at the distance we were shooting. I'm sure it does better at longer distances. I can also see why Leupold scopes are given such high ratings.
You're right, I've not handled a P22... but they sure are "cute"
which, I guess, makes for a good analogy.

plenty of time as 'Range Officer' is a good way to learn that the $$
firearm at the line does not correlate to the tight-group-size at 50y or 100y.
As I've posted before, there are Five factors for Accuracy:
1. Shooter
2. Shooter
3. Shooter
4. Ammo
5. FireArm
and I'm still working on the first-two...

You need a P22. Humbling experience before it self-destructs.

You left out a very common, but not well understood or studied factor in accuracy: target jump. I swear the target moves just before the bullet strike. The firearm is deadly accurate, just check the manufacturer's web site. The ammo is deadly accurate, ditto for web site check. The only thing that leaves is the target must be moving. I've checked the theory with a bench shooter of some renown and he agreed with me.

bearandoldman · Post by **bearandoldman** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:10 pm

greener wrote:
toyfj40 wrote:
greener wrote:Toy, you obviously haven't shot a Walther P22. Makes SWMBO look untemperamental.

Just to warm the cockles of your heart, toy, the $1000 custom .22 wasn' t shooting any better groups than I get with my Glenfield Mod 60 and $20 Walmart scope at the distance we were shooting. I'm sure it does better at longer distances. I can also see why Leupold scopes are given such high ratings.
You're right, I've not handled a P22... but they sure are "cute"
which, I guess, makes for a good analogy.

plenty of time as 'Range Officer' is a good way to learn that the $$
firearm at the line does not correlate to the tight-group-size at 50y or 100y.
As I've posted before, there are Five factors for Accuracy:
1. Shooter
2. Shooter
3. Shooter
4. Ammo
5. FireArm
and I'm still working on the first-two...
You need a P22. Humbling experience before it self-destructs.

You left out a very common, but not well understood or studied factor in accuracy: target jump. I swear the target moves just before the bullet strike. The firearm is deadly accurate, just check the manufacturer's web site. The ammo is deadly accurate, ditto for web site check. The only thing that leaves is the target must be moving. I've checked the theory with a bench shooter of some renown and he agreed with me.

YESl, I am convinced that aon all ranges ther is a fault line in the earth and the sound of the gun going off causes a rapid shift of a couple inche baak and forthand returning to the same eact strting spot. This is the cuase of misses when we know ther is no problem with the gun, ammo or the shooter.