Springfield XD Sub Compact

Bud33 · Post by **Bud33** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 9:07 pm

Anyone had any experience with this gun???
I look for one here in the Orlando area today and there is none to be had. Must be very popular.

Blindpig · Post by **Blindpig** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 12:49 pm

I had one of these in 9mm when they first came out. It's a pretty sweet little piece in my opinion. I found it to be accurate given the short barrel length and mine functioned flawlessly. I originally bought it for my wife but she is just not the gun nut that I am and I couldn't get her that interested in it. I used it for an alternate CCW for a period of time but reverted back to my old stand-by 1911. I guess I'm just not comfortable with anything else. I've owned three XDs and found them all preferable to the Glocks, primarily because of grip angle (did I mention I like 1911's?). I you're looking for a short-barreled, single-action auto in an other than 1911 configuration, you probably can't go wrong with the XD.

Bud33 · Post by **Bud33** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 11:22 pm

Well, I did it......

I found a XD sub Compact 9mm with a Stainless slide and I bought it!
I have to admit that I am and old 1911 man and I'm a little uncomfortable with a cocked gun with no safety. I think I will learn to live with it,but I can't help but wonder about spring tension with a constantly cocked hammer. Will this eventually weaken the main spring?

Post by **Bullseye** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 6:06 am

Bud I found this page for you on maintenance.

http://www.xd-hs2000.com/disassembly/disassembly.html

R,
Bullseye

Bud33 · Post by **Bud33** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 12:58 pm

Thanks Bullseye. . . That will help.
What is your opinion on spring fatigue from leaving the hammer cocked?

Post by **Bullseye** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 8:33 pm

Bud, if that pistol is truly a "striker fired" pistol then spring fatigue would be a concern to me. What I want to know is that type action like a glock, where the striker is only partially cocked, and then the trigger cocks and fires it the rest of the way? I have little experience with the XD (or HS2000) style pistol. Modern spring are good but they can fatigue and fail. If it is a partially cocked action, then I wouldn't be concerned with spring fatigue. You could always prolong the springs by releasing the striker on an empty chamber when storing the pistol for prolonged periods.

R,
Bullseye

Blindpig · Post by **Blindpig** » Tue May 01, 2007 2:10 pm

My understanding of the XD pistols is that they are true striker-fired weapons where the striker is completely cocked by the slide moving rearward. I've owned 3 of them in the past and never had any problems with the striker assembly. I fired a few thousand rounds thru each and never replaced any springs but I suppose after several years of use, it might not be a bad idea. Good springs (read that Wolfe) are pretty cheap. I know I replace the recoil springs on my Kimbers about every 800-1,000 rounds.
I never worried about carrying my XDs with a round in the chamber. In addition to the Glock-style trigger safety, there's a grip safety and a firing pin block. Typically of me, though, I just didn't like them for CCW and reverted back to my old ways of carrying a 1911. Old habits die hard.

Post by **Bullseye** » Tue May 01, 2007 8:25 pm

When I carry the G27, I always do so in condition three. I can draw and rack the slide, Mossad style, faster than one can blink an eye. I've had many a person ask me how I learned to do that so fast and can I show them how to draw like that too.

R,
Bullseye

Bud33 · Post by **Bud33** » Thu May 03, 2007 12:49 am

Bullseye wrote:When I carry the G27, I always do so in condition three. I can draw and rack the slide, Mossad style, faster than one can blink an eye. I've had many a person ask me how I learned to do that so fast and can I show them how to draw like that too.

R,
Bullseye

I'd like to hear how it's done...!!!

Post by **Bullseye** » Thu May 03, 2007 1:11 am

This technique is also know as the Israeli style draw

Grasp the pistol with the strong hand and retract it from the holster. The pistol is retracted from the holster with strong hand palm facing downwards. While the elbows are still bent, the weak hand comes up and grasps the top of the slide. As soon as the weak hand has the slide gripped firmly, you rotate the strong hand palm facing inwards and thrust it forward and outward, this cycles the action to condition one, and brings the pistol into firing position in one smooth move. The weak hand releases the slide as the pistol is thrust outwards which slingshots the slide forward. The strong hand can engage the target while the weak hand has left the slide to the rear by the outward thrust of the pistol. The weak hand is now free to grasp the pistol in a two-handed supporting position.

Practice this technique slowly at first. Once you get the motion to flow smoothly, your pace will pick up. You can charge the weapon and engage the target in a fraction of a second.

Hope this helps.

R,
Bullseye

bearandoldman · Post by **bearandoldman** » Thu May 03, 2007 7:58 am

Bullseye wrote:This technique is also know as the Israeli style draw

Grasp the pistol with the strong hand and retract it from the holster. The pistol is retracted from the holster with strong hand palm facing downwards. While the elbows are still bent, the weak hand comes up and grasps the top of the slide. As soon as the weak hand has the slide gripped firmly, you rotate the strong hand palm facing inwards and thrust it forward and outward, this cycles the action to condition one, and brings the pistol into firing position in one smooth move. The weak hand releases the slide as the pistol is thrust outwards which slingshots the slide forward. The strong hand can engage the target while the weak hand has left the slide to the rear by the outward thrust of the pistol. The weak hand is now free to grasp the pistol in a two-handed supporting position.

Practice this technique slowly at first. Once you get the motion to flow smoothly, your pace will pick up. You can charge the weapon and engage the target in a fraction of a second.

Hope this helps.

R,
Bullseye

Used the same method myself for a while, until I became comfortable with carrying a 1911, cocked and locked and ready to rock. It is amazing how fast this cqn be done after you get used to it.

The only problem with this method is that it takes a hand gun and cnages it into a HANDS gun. In a sityuation where you do not have both ends free it leaves you with an expensive rock in your hand.

Blindpig · Post by **Blindpig** » Fri May 04, 2007 12:01 pm

Bullseye wrote:This technique is also know as the Israeli style draw

Grasp the pistol with the strong hand and retract it from the holster. The pistol is retracted from the holster with strong hand palm facing downwards. While the elbows are still bent, the weak hand comes up and grasps the top of the slide. As soon as the weak hand has the slide gripped firmly, you rotate the strong hand palm facing inwards and thrust it forward and outward, this cycles the action to condition one, and brings the pistol into firing position in one smooth move. The weak hand releases the slide as the pistol is thrust outwards which slingshots the slide forward. The strong hand can engage the target while the weak hand has left the slide to the rear by the outward thrust of the pistol. The weak hand is now free to grasp the pistol in a two-handed supporting position.

Practice this technique slowly at first. Once you get the motion to flow smoothly, your pace will pick up. You can charge the weapon and engage the target in a fraction of a second.

Hope this helps.

R,
Bullseye

Bullseye, If I tried that I probably wouldn't have to worry about the bad guy. He'd be on the ground, helpless with laughter at my fumbling around!

Post by **Bullseye** » Fri May 04, 2007 5:19 pm

It takes some practice, but when done properly, is astonishingly fast. Most of the time I demonstrate this draw technique, those who witness it are left with their mouths agape. One told me that if he could draw that fast in condition 3, he would always carry that way.

R,
Bullseye

Bud33 · Post by **Bud33** » Fri May 04, 2007 5:36 pm

That sounds like a good thing to practice. . . I'm just not sure it will work for me. The recoil spring on this Sub Compact is very heavy and with the short slide it is hard to get a grip on.
As a word of warning, If you have one or are getting one, be careful.. With the short slide,when racking the slide back with the week hand, the pinkie finger has a tendency to drop into the ejection port. That COULD SMART!!!!!

I took mine to the range yesterday, for the first time and ran 100 rounds down range.... Can't say I had any fantastic groups at 25 yds but the gun balances nice and had 0 failures. The trigger is heavy, but I am hoping it will lighten up some as it breaks in...

Post by **Bullseye** » Fri May 04, 2007 6:10 pm

When I use the G27 in condition 3 (Israeli), my left hand is the weak hand, and the thumb is closest to the ejection port. This style is like bringing your two hands together, thumbs meeting. The G27 is a sub compact pistol and the slide has a quite stiff recoil spring too.

R,
Bullseye