Looking for the one and only RedDot for "Falling Plates

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Looking for the one and only RedDot for "Falling Plates

Post by jayman » Thu Feb 11, 2010 3:26 pm

Hi folks,
next time a rimfire gun will come into my iron family.

Beside Bull´s Eye I will use it for the discipline Falling Plates (is this the correct description?).
Therefore I need a useful RedDot.

Can you give me tips what´s your favorite.

The costs are not the most important criteria.
I use to buy once and then the right one, lasting my life time. :roll:
Better than buying twice or three times and having a lot of trouble for a long time.

Which one would you prefer ?


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Post by perazzi » Thu Feb 11, 2010 4:32 pm

I'm happy with the 25mm UltraDot's
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Post by MtStream » Thu Feb 11, 2010 5:01 pm

I'm contemplating purchasing one of 3 red dots - Leupold Prismatic, Aimpoint Micro series or a Burris FastFire II. I like the smaller form factor of these models. I'm leaning to Aimpoint.

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Post by Bullseye » Thu Feb 11, 2010 7:11 pm

One not to be overlooked is the Millett SP1 Red Dot sight. I picked one up on sale to test it out and really liked it.

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Post by blue68f100 » Thu Feb 11, 2010 7:40 pm

I have a Mueller Quick shot holographic sight and I'm please with it. It's about 1/2 of the Burris Fast Fire.
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Post by jayman » Fri Feb 12, 2010 4:15 am

Thanx for your answers.

A lot of stuff that you suggested to me, but I have no idea about it. 8)


To become clearer I have two basic questions:
1. There are this small little sights, big as a coin, and there are these who look like a pocket light, with a cylindric body.

Which type is good for what?


2. How big has the point to be for using it on 25 feet?



Thanks to all so far,
J.

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Post by smokey » Fri Feb 12, 2010 5:20 am

I like the UltraDot Matchdot. You can change the MOA of the dots 2,4,6,8 depending on what you are shooting.

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Post by Bullseye » Sun Feb 14, 2010 10:46 am

jayman wrote:Thanx for your answers.

A lot of stuff that you suggested to me, but I have no idea about it. 8)

To become clearer I have two basic questions:
1. There are this small little sights, big as a coin, and there are these who look like a pocket light, with a cylindric body.

Which type is good for what?

2. How big has the point to be for using it on 25 feet?

Thanks to all so far,
J.
Sorry, I didn't have time to answer this one earlier. I'll give it a go now.

There are some small red dot sights that appear like small projection screens, these are knows as "reflex" or "miniature reflex" sights. Typically they fit in a pistol's rear dovetail and are very lightweight.

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Sights like this are good for quickly acquiring targets as they're open and the shooter can see clearer downrange. In falling plate shooting this would be considered an advantage as one has to engage a series of metal plate targets as rapidly as possible.

This style of sight uses an open projection system and can be compromised by dirt or oils getting onto the screen area. The inside curved screen can be a little more difficult to clean than the outer curved screen. It can also be more susceptible to interference from bright light conditions with the open projection system.

The cylindrical body style red dot sights, ones that appear more like a traditional scope, are more often used as static style target sights. This is not to say that they cannot be used for plates but tend to restrict the shooter's downrange field of view a little more than the reflex style.

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These type red dot scopes also use light projection but the image is contained with a hermetically sealed scope body tube. I believe this is the small flashlight look you were describing. There are a variety of diameters for this style of sights from small 25mm to large 42mm. The larger tubes allow for a wider field of view but the trade off may be more weight to the pistol. This style sight is enclosed and tends to resist bright exterior lighting more than the reflex sight style.

Each style has an ability to vary the dot intensity and adapt to differing light conditions. Both come in a variety of dot sizes some brands even have adjustable sized dots for the shooter who wants to change the sizes. The size of the dot is more up to the preference of the shooter. I myself, prefer the smallest diameter dot possible when I'm shooting but then again I'm going for shot placement, not simply hitting a target in a generalized zone as rapidly as possible. The bigger the dot size, the more of the target that is obscured by it.

Red dot style sights have a tremendous advantage in that the shooter doesn't have to maintain alignment between two different points to successfully hit a target. The shooter just has to keep the dot relatively centered in the lens and place the bright dot on the target to hit it. This greatly increases the speed at which a shooter can acquire and engage a target or series of targets.

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Post by blue68f100 » Sun Feb 14, 2010 1:58 pm

One thing you failed to mention is with dot sights you use your far vision to focus. Most dots (tube) do not have any magnification but some do. So if you have bi/tri focals (aging eyes) the dots have a bid advantage. With my aging eyes I love my Mueller QuickShot. It is not as small as the Burris Fast Fire but it's smaller than the larger BSA... Weight is only 3 oz. where the tube type are around 8oz. Another neg for the Fastfire was it does not have a mount to fit the std weaver base. But if your going to remove the rear sight and not use your open it a very good option.
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Post by MtStream » Sun Feb 14, 2010 3:06 pm

blue68f100 wrote: Another neg for the Fastfire was it does not have a mount to fit the std weaver base. But if your going to remove the rear sight and not use your open it a very good option.
Let's not forget the potential negative of having to remove the sight to replace the battery and resight on these small reflex styles (FF I &II,Aimpoint, Trijicon, DrOptics etc). I still want the availability of having my 'irons' on and usable. As of now I'm using my ATN digital (several spin offs available). It sits kinda high (negative in my mind) but is quite nice for fast target acquisition.

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Post by blue68f100 » Sun Feb 14, 2010 10:31 pm

My Mueller has the battery on top so no need to remove.
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