Pro/Con

Hakaman · Post by **Hakaman** » Fri Jul 31, 2009 8:01 am

(this should stir the pot some)

PRO 1
Law abiding citizens use guns to defend themselves against criminals over 2.4 million times every year -- or 6,575 times a day. This means that each year, firearms are used 60 times more often to protect the lives of honest citizens than to take lives.

Con 1
Keeping a handgun in the home for self-defense places a gun owner and his/her family in great jeopardy. Research indicates that residents of homes where a gun is present are five times more likely to experience a suicide and three times more likely to experience a homicide than residents of homes without guns. Additionally, a gun kept in the home is 43 times more likely to kill a member of the household, or friend, than an intruder.

KAZ · Post by **KAZ** » Fri Jul 31, 2009 10:32 am

Your are as usual correct Hak, we all get the headlines when a firearm is misused, and only in the front of the AMERICAN RIFLEMAN do we get exposure to when firearms are used in a positive role. Guns left around where the young,untrained,medically flawed can access them are in the same category as access to the drain cleaner under the sink,car keys,prescription meds,etc. Suicides/gang warfare,etc are another different cat. At our house we Child Proof when we have visitors. When the concealed carry licenses became fact the detractors cried out that it would lead to OK corral type shoot outs. To bad for them that the exact opposites has occurred. bearandoldman said it best, he carries for the same reason he has a spare tire in his auto. Both items he hopes to never need, but both are the only good solution some times. Regards

Post by **Bullseye** » Fri Jul 31, 2009 1:22 pm

Quoting, or mis-quoting, statistics has always been a sure way to slant a point of view or persuade the unwitting. Advertisers and politicians have done it since the dawn of time. Here, one always has to ask these kinds of questions; what study? How was it conducted? Who conducted it? How big was the sample? What were the conditions/controls? There's many ways to taint a scientific investigation, if one were really motivated to prove/disprove a specific outcome. Also, many daily firearm uses go unreported, and therefore uncounted, so how useful or not firearms are is highly uncertain - statistically.

R,
Bullseye

bearandoldman · Post by **bearandoldman** » Fri Jul 31, 2009 3:01 pm

Old sayin" Never pick a fight with an old man as he mostlikely will have to kill you as he is too old to run or fight, and if he did it would definitely not be a fair fight".

blue68f100 · Post by **blue68f100** » Fri Jul 31, 2009 4:05 pm

If you look at it that way, Cars kill far more people than guns. Are you going to remove the car. It would clean up the air.

Must be the liberals, unable to make the correct decision....

Hakaman · Post by **Hakaman** » Fri Jul 31, 2009 8:26 pm

If you look at it that way, Cars kill far more people than guns. Are you going to remove the car. It would clean up the air.

Must be the liberals, unable to make the correct decision....

Now were getting this going!

greener · Post by **greener** » Sun Aug 02, 2009 1:07 am

blue68f100 wrote:If you look at it that way, Cars kill far more people than guns. Are you going to remove the car. It would clean up the air.

Must be the liberals, unable to make the correct decision....

In order to protect the owner, the public and ensure the state and locals get their fair share of taxes and fees cars are: (1) registered to an owner by serial number; (2) licensed to that owner with a tag showing not only the owners name but address; (3) subject to annual renewal of the license; (4) in some places subject to annual inspections; (4) can be driven only by licensed drivers; and (5) usually subject to liability and other insurance demonstrations before use.

I agree with the argument that cars cause more injuries than firearms, but I'd rather use that as a point to decrease the amount of permitting and licensing for firearms.

bearandoldman · Post by **bearandoldman** » Sun Aug 02, 2009 6:52 am

It's not the cars and guns that are the problem that lies with the operator.

KAZ · Post by **KAZ** » Sun Aug 02, 2009 9:07 am

Using automobile licensing/registrations/insurance/inspections by the anti-gun crowd fails with the same basic flaw as all the existing and proposed firearms laws fail. Those(criminals) who fail to obey any law don't care about laws. The fake ID business is a growth industry. Fake insurance cards,inspection stickers,social Sec,etc or simply drive with no license. How many times do you hear of a fatal DWI murder where the offender hadn't had a license for years.

bearandoldman · Post by **bearandoldman** » Sun Aug 02, 2009 10:46 am

I can look back over a lot of years and all these new laws have not made the world anymore safe than when I was a youngster, those days are gone but not forgotten. I have seen the best days this country ever had and they will never return.

We should prohibit cars, guns and alcohol, opooops!!!!! forgot we tried that once and it really did not help but it did make a lot of things happen.
I got a lot of people killed.
It made a lot of people rich.
It put a lot of people to work on both sides of the law.
It made some rapid improvements in technology to make faster boats and cars so the chaser and the chasee could go faster, Gar Wood and Chris Craft made a lot of money. two way police radios came about.
Look at the rapid rises in technology that WWII caused, most of you young guys do not know what that war did to just about everything manufactured in the US, and the methods of manufacture also. You have to be an old guy like me who was there at the time. When I was a kid if you said cell phone, I would have pictured a 2 handed phone on the wall in a jail cell.

Hakaman · Post by **Hakaman** » Sun Aug 02, 2009 7:29 pm

I think these times are the best times in American history. Where else in our history do we have to push the button "1" for English?

That's capitalism at it's best, or is that socialism? I was at the ATM yesterdie, and I had to push <*****> "1" for English. Although, I am proud to say we are a diverse country. Truthfully, I feel my dad's generation was the "greatest" generation of our history. WWll , blue-collar, hard working, appreciative of the things they had, not spoiled. I remember when I was growing up, we never threw much of anything out, my dad fixed it. We didn't have much material things, but it seemed like we had what we needed. Like Tom Brokaw said, they were the greatest generation of American history.
Liberal philosophy is screwing everything up, "national healthcare"? I can't wait. Not! Bottom line, "Guns have been a part of American history, and that's how it will stay. Guns don't kill people, criminals, and those who rightfully defend themselves do. God help our land.
Haka