I'm new... and I have a ejection question...

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Post by Bullseye » Mon Jun 23, 2008 12:25 pm

Kappy - how is your magazine positioned? Do you have a gap in between your magazine and the ejector? Like in this pic-

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If you don't then the magazines lips could be hitting the spent casing as it retracts and knocking it off of the extractor hook. In this picture, the magazine is touching the ejector and you can clearly see the magazine feed lip is higher than the ejector pin.

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This causes the case to be knocked off of the extractor before the bolt retracts fully causing a jam.

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Often when this situation happens the type of failure you see is one of double feeding, where a new round is jammed into the chamber before the spent case is fully ejected.

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If you think it is the LCI, you can remove it and shoot the pistol without the loaded chamber indicator. That should isolate the problem down to the LCI or to another cause. Here's how to remove an LCI.

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Once the LCI pivot is out of the pistol, you can remove the assembly and shoot it with the slot open.

Another possibility is a dirty or worn extractor. Either way the extractor doesn't have enough tension to hold the case in place and it falls off of the hook before being ejected. That situation can also cause a double feeding failure. YOu could disassemble the bolt and clean out behind the extractor and the extractor plunger. http://www.guntalk-online.com/detailstrip.htm#extractor If cleaning doesn't solve it, then you may need to replace the extractor with one from VQ. This usually fixes this problem, and because the VQ extractor is harder material, it doesn't come back again.

It's all up to you, you can trouble shoot the problem more yourself or contact Ruger for some repair services. If you go the repair route, be sure to replace any aftermarket parts with the factory originals before sending the pistol back to Ruger or you may not get them back again. Ruger will replace all non factory parts with originals when conducting repair work.

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Post by kappy » Wed Jul 02, 2008 5:18 am

I was going to send it to Ruger, but they were planning to charge me shipping... something I thought was fairly ridiculous. I also don't like the idea of sending my gun somewhere like that, but didn't want to send it through my FFL.

For the price of shipping and whatnot, I figured I might as well give my local smith some work. Plus, Ruger is likely to say "we cannot reproduce the problem," since they don't know me, while my smith is a real person.

I considered removing the LCI briefly, but I actually like it. I'm new to shooting (been in it about 11 months), so I like having all the safety devices intact. Had I been raised with firearms, I would probably think differently. Both the guys at the range and the local smith told me that it was unlikely to be related to the LCI (I only figured it might be since some of the casings wound up above the LCI.

I'll let you know what the smith says. He should be done in the next day or so, I hope. Incidentally, he also said it might something with the magazine.

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Post by hogdogs » Wed Jul 02, 2008 8:11 pm

Kappy, It is so easy and reversible to remove the LCI part that you could try it without and see if it fixes it. Including the strip and reassembly included it is a 10 minute job...
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Post by vroc38 » Tue Jul 15, 2008 9:09 pm

Not sure if the OP's ejection issue was solved or not, but just wanted to add that I had the same problem with my Mark III Hunter. The VQ extractor cured it. No FTEs now after several thousand rounds of Federal bulk. Best $10 I ever spent.

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Post by Bullseye » Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:16 pm

Welcome to Guntalk-online!

I have to agree that the Exact Edge extractor is a good investment.

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Post by cadillo » Thu Jul 17, 2008 1:25 am

greener wrote:How many rounds did you fire before it started acting up? Almost sounds like you put too much oil on it when you cleaned and lubed it.

I'm not sure a .22, especially a KMKIII678 can be limp wristed enough to cause the problem. Think I'll give that a whirl tomorrow. Will go to the range with my limpest wrists.
You are right. My ultralight wife cannot shoot my 5.5 inch MarkII without it jamming nearly every shot(It never jams with me), but when she shoots the 6 7/8 slab side it works every time. The little extra weight makes just enough difference even though the 6 7/8" is new, while the 5.5 has fired many thousands of rounds and is really loose.

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Post by Bullseye » Thu Jul 17, 2008 12:15 pm

With that many rounds through your 5.5 inch model, the extractor may be worn just enough to be sensitive to a less firm grip. If you start having ejection issues with that pistol it may be time for a new extractor. The OEM extractors wear out much faster than the aftermarket VQ ones. Any wear on an extractor can cause problems with such a small contact surface on the rim of a 22 cartridge.

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Post by bearandoldman » Thu Jul 17, 2008 12:27 pm

cadillo wrote:
greener wrote:How many rounds did you fire before it started acting up? Almost sounds like you put too much oil on it when you cleaned and lubed it.

I'm not sure a .22, especially a KMKIII678 can be limp wristed enough to cause the problem. Think I'll give that a whirl tomorrow. Will go to the range with my limpest wrists.
You are right. My ultralight wife cannot shoot my 5.5 inch MarkII without it jamming nearly every shot(It never jams with me), but when she shoots the 6 7/8 slab side it works every time. The little extra weight makes just enough difference even though the 6 7/8" is new, while the 5.5 has fired many thousands of rounds and is really loose.
Ah yes, sometimes oldman does know wha side of bread has butter on, do have to admit that I discussed the problem with the Bear before posting my advice.
Glad to hear that your problem is known if not totally solved.
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Post by greener » Thu Jul 17, 2008 5:46 pm

bearandoldman wrote:
cadillo wrote:
greener wrote:How many rounds did you fire before it started acting up? Almost sounds like you put too much oil on it when you cleaned and lubed it.

I'm not sure a .22, especially a KMKIII678 can be limp wristed enough to cause the problem. Think I'll give that a whirl tomorrow. Will go to the range with my limpest wrists.
You are right. My ultralight wife cannot shoot my 5.5 inch MarkII without it jamming nearly every shot(It never jams with me), but when she shoots the 6 7/8 slab side it works every time. The little extra weight makes just enough difference even though the 6 7/8" is new, while the 5.5 has fired many thousands of rounds and is really loose.
Ah yes, sometimes oldman does know wha side of bread has butter on, do have to admit that I discussed the problem with the Bear before posting my advice.
Glad to hear that your problem is known if not totally solved.
$10 for the VQ extractor and a few minutes installing it would be a cheap way to test.

Len, I always know which side the butter is on. It's the side that hits the floor when you drop the slice.

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Post by bearandoldman » Thu Jul 17, 2008 5:57 pm

greener wrote:
bearandoldman wrote:
cadillo wrote: You are right. My ultralight wife cannot shoot my 5.5 inch MarkII without it jamming nearly every shot(It never jams with me), but when she shoots the 6 7/8 slab side it works every time. The little extra weight makes just enough difference even though the 6 7/8" is new, while the 5.5 has fired many thousands of rounds and is really loose.
Ah yes, sometimes oldman does know wha side of bread has butter on, do have to admit that I discussed the problem with the Bear before posting my advice.
Glad to hear that your problem is known if not totally solved.
$10 for the VQ extractor and a few minutes installing it would be a cheap way to test.

Len, I always know which side the butter is on. It's the side that hits the floor when you drop the slice.
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You have great day and shoot straight and may the Good Lord smile on you.
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