Thanks for all the help with my pistol.
The other thread { http://www.guntalk-online.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=148 } was two pages long and I thought I'd start another one.
Anyway, Bullseye and others coached me on checking the extractor and other bolt components and with their help I got the badly worn parts replaced. Using the original Std Auto and MKI magazine it functioned perfectly with each different type of ammo I fed it.
Unfortunatly my two MKII magazines did not cooperate. I still had the failure to eject causing a jam problem. All the other problems were cured.
Somewhere somebody sent me a photo with a measurement to adjust the clearence between the magazine lip and the bottom of the ejector, I can't find it, and I don't remember who sent it to me.
Anyway IIRC they said there needs to be a minimum of a 1/16" clearence between the feed lip and the ejector. With these two MK II mags there is virtually Zero clearence.
I don't know weather to try shaving material off the plastic bases so the mags will sit lower, or try to trade them for a couple good original MK I mags.
But with the good mags the old pistol is good to go.
Thanks again.
OBTW, I have two MK I mags that need adjusting. Is there anybody that would be willing to adjust them for me? I have absolutly no idea of what or where to bend or tweek. I suspect if they would work in somebody elses gun, they'd probably work in mine.
Joe
Standard Auto ejection problems under control.
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Joe,
Here's a link to the pictures you're referring to: mag position
If you have that many MKI/II magazines that are not seating properly, then you may need to remove a little material from the magazine catch instead of each magazine block bottom. Here's a picture of where the metal needs to be removed.
You'll have to remove the latch to file off the metal. Place the latch in a padded vise and carefully file with a safe sided file. Draw a straight pencil line on the latch and file to the line. Reinstall and keep filing until you achieve the desired distance from the ejector.
Hope this helps.
R,
Bullseye
Here's a link to the pictures you're referring to: mag position
If you have that many MKI/II magazines that are not seating properly, then you may need to remove a little material from the magazine catch instead of each magazine block bottom. Here's a picture of where the metal needs to be removed.
You'll have to remove the latch to file off the metal. Place the latch in a padded vise and carefully file with a safe sided file. Draw a straight pencil line on the latch and file to the line. Reinstall and keep filing until you achieve the desired distance from the ejector.
Hope this helps.
R,
Bullseye
Bullseye,
Thanks for that pic, and the instructions. However I think I'll pass on that particular modification. If I were to go to all MK II mags I would do it in a heartbeat.
However if I modify the magazine catch for the MK IIs then my original magazines may sit too low. I want to be able to use them as well.
The picture I was refering too, was a shot into the ejection port with the bolt locked back and a magazine inserted. The person sending it to me photo shopped some indicator lines arrows and a measurement onto the pic. It was if I remember correctly shot against a green back ground like yours.
I've searched my email and can't find it, and then I searched all my Rimfire pistol threads too and can't find it.
Duh, I hate it when I forget to save things.
Now that I have this old pistol up and running, I'm pretty sure I'm going to finish this match out, then retire it to occasional use.
I think I really would rather have a MK II or if I have to a MK III.
Joe
Thanks for that pic, and the instructions. However I think I'll pass on that particular modification. If I were to go to all MK II mags I would do it in a heartbeat.
However if I modify the magazine catch for the MK IIs then my original magazines may sit too low. I want to be able to use them as well.
The picture I was refering too, was a shot into the ejection port with the bolt locked back and a magazine inserted. The person sending it to me photo shopped some indicator lines arrows and a measurement onto the pic. It was if I remember correctly shot against a green back ground like yours.
I've searched my email and can't find it, and then I searched all my Rimfire pistol threads too and can't find it.
Duh, I hate it when I forget to save things.
Now that I have this old pistol up and running, I'm pretty sure I'm going to finish this match out, then retire it to occasional use.
I think I really would rather have a MK II or if I have to a MK III.
Joe
I remember the picture you are referring to. It was one of mine. I shot it to help someone else who was having problems with their Mark II's ejection. I don't have the original anymore. It may have been one I uploaded directly onto MarkII.org but I remember all the lines I added in for the positioning dimensions. I'll keep looking and perhaps I'll find it again.
There is another way to do this, and that requires the rear feed lips on the magazine to be rounded or radiused. Here's a link to that procedure on yzguy's website. stovepipe mag mod
Some good reading there in any case.
Either way you choose, modifying the catch or individual magazines, nothing is permanent. You can get replacement mag bottom blocks or a new mag catch relatively inexpensivley if something goes wrong.
Hope this helps.
R,
Bullseye
There is another way to do this, and that requires the rear feed lips on the magazine to be rounded or radiused. Here's a link to that procedure on yzguy's website. stovepipe mag mod
Some good reading there in any case.
Either way you choose, modifying the catch or individual magazines, nothing is permanent. You can get replacement mag bottom blocks or a new mag catch relatively inexpensivley if something goes wrong.
Hope this helps.
R,
Bullseye
Joe,
Yes, they fit very nicely. I have one on my old Mark I and I love it. The thing I hated most about that heel latch was the difficulty in making it work. It takes a lot of finger pressure to move that latch. Adding a Ranch Products Extended mag catch makes a world of difference. A flick of the finger and that magazine is free.
One of the best investments I made in that pistol, especially after I made this set of grips for it. You can see there's not a lot of clearance room for getting to the magazine catch with those grips.
Rimfire Sports and Custom has them for about $10. Here's a link. Ext Mag Catch
Hope this helps.
R,
Bullseye
Yes, they fit very nicely. I have one on my old Mark I and I love it. The thing I hated most about that heel latch was the difficulty in making it work. It takes a lot of finger pressure to move that latch. Adding a Ranch Products Extended mag catch makes a world of difference. A flick of the finger and that magazine is free.
One of the best investments I made in that pistol, especially after I made this set of grips for it. You can see there's not a lot of clearance room for getting to the magazine catch with those grips.
Rimfire Sports and Custom has them for about $10. Here's a link. Ext Mag Catch
Hope this helps.
R,
Bullseye
Modify the MK II mag plastic bases.
The MK II magazines are probably sitting too high in the frame. When this happens the empty is hitting the mag lips before it hits the ejector, causing the empty to get knocked loose from the slide before it can be ejected and it just lays in the ejection port area. Check this link out http://www.1bad69.com/ruger/stovepipe.htm it may help diagnose and/or cure your problems.
Some MK II magazines sit just a little too high in the frame. I've noticed this particularly with the mags that have the red eagle logo. Best way to cure this is insert the mag in the gun and with a utility knife score the magazine bottom on each side of the mag release. Remove the mag from the gun and proceed to remove about .030-040" from between the score marks. You can remove this with a utility knife, a dremel tool with any kind of a cutter/grinder (if you use a dremel tool run it at its lowest speed so that you cut the plastic and not melt it). You can even remove the extra plastic with a milling machine. If done properly, with the empty mag in the gun you should be able to push up on the bottom of the mag and get a little up/down movement. You won't get this movement from an unaltered magazine.
Some MK II magazines sit just a little too high in the frame. I've noticed this particularly with the mags that have the red eagle logo. Best way to cure this is insert the mag in the gun and with a utility knife score the magazine bottom on each side of the mag release. Remove the mag from the gun and proceed to remove about .030-040" from between the score marks. You can remove this with a utility knife, a dremel tool with any kind of a cutter/grinder (if you use a dremel tool run it at its lowest speed so that you cut the plastic and not melt it). You can even remove the extra plastic with a milling machine. If done properly, with the empty mag in the gun you should be able to push up on the bottom of the mag and get a little up/down movement. You won't get this movement from an unaltered magazine.
Bullseye,
Thanks for the info and link. It's filed for reference.
jaybar,
You are correct, the two MK II magazines I have do have the red eagle.
And they don't have any up and down movement at all. I checked out the link you posted, it's the same one Bullseye posted above, and filed your information for future reference.
Thanks for the info.
Joe
Thanks for the info and link. It's filed for reference.
jaybar,
You are correct, the two MK II magazines I have do have the red eagle.
And they don't have any up and down movement at all. I checked out the link you posted, it's the same one Bullseye posted above, and filed your information for future reference.
Thanks for the info.
Joe
Unfortunately sometimes information gets duplicated when we split a topic and not everyone has followed the old thread. No big deal, especially when basically the same advice comes in from other sources: great minds think alike! All good advice, all you have to do Joe is choose a course of action and see it through.
Welcome to the Forum jaybar!
R,
Bullseye
Welcome to the Forum jaybar!
R,
Bullseye
Bullseye, he done said:
Hows that for a decision?
Joe
So I have. At least where the magazines are concerned. I've decided to offer a trade. Two lightly used recently purchased MKII magazines for two same condition MK I or Standard magazines. Straight across. I pay shipping to trader, trader pays shipping to me........all you have to do Joe is choose a course of action and see it through.
Hows that for a decision?
Joe
Geeze I feel like a dunce. I got distracted and left this thread hang.
OK, after almost 4 years
here's an update.
I traded off the MK II magazines and ended up with four nice reversible MK I types and one original. Two worked great right off the bat, three didn't. I finished the postal match with the old pistol and placed high enough to win a gift certificate to Amazon.com.
After that I really went to work on the magazine lips. The owner of the indoor range has a set of pliers that look like needle nose but the needles are flattened to about 1/4" wide.
So I took the two magazines that worked perfectly with everything I put through them ( the original and one of the MK I mags ) and using the pliers I carefully adjusted the other three mags feed lips to match those that worked. Now I have four mags that feed everything, and one that feeds most everything, but occasionally hangs up on the blunter hollow points.
So for now my ancient Standard .22 Auto is up and running with good mags.
I fixed it, and I haven't fired it in three years. I even got a really nice set of Walnut grips for it to replace the old hard rubber ones.
I'm getting old.
Joe
OK, after almost 4 years
here's an update.I traded off the MK II magazines and ended up with four nice reversible MK I types and one original. Two worked great right off the bat, three didn't. I finished the postal match with the old pistol and placed high enough to win a gift certificate to Amazon.com.
After that I really went to work on the magazine lips. The owner of the indoor range has a set of pliers that look like needle nose but the needles are flattened to about 1/4" wide.
So I took the two magazines that worked perfectly with everything I put through them ( the original and one of the MK I mags ) and using the pliers I carefully adjusted the other three mags feed lips to match those that worked. Now I have four mags that feed everything, and one that feeds most everything, but occasionally hangs up on the blunter hollow points.
So for now my ancient Standard .22 Auto is up and running with good mags.
I fixed it, and I haven't fired it in three years. I even got a really nice set of Walnut grips for it to replace the old hard rubber ones.
I'm getting old.
Joe
***Be sneaky, get closer, bust the cap on him when you can put the ball where it counts 
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.***Sounds like a set of Duckbill pliers. I use them a lot for light sheet metal bending. Another thing that works well is a piece of 1/4 in mild steel flat bar stock with a slot cut in it from a fiberglass cut-off wheel. Make the slot about 1/4" deep and you have a perfect mag lip forming tool. I'm glad you have some mags tweaked up and working in your pistol.
R,
Bullseye
R,
Bullseye