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The Law of Large Numbers.
I've been shooting since 1962 or '63.
I've shot shotguns, rifles, pistols and revolvers (and a couple of more interesting military items).
I've had failures to feed and the odd failure to extract, and lots of failures to fire with rimfire ammo.
In all that time, and uncounted thousands of rounds of ammo, I've NEVER had a squib round, a live-fire double feed, or a stovepipe on a centerfire weapon.
While training at the NRA Instructor school, I had two doublefeeds and a stovepipe on a Beretta 92.
Today, I dug out some relatively new reloads (2006) in .45ACP and took my SIG to the pit for a little recreation/training. I had not one but THREE squibs out of 100 rounds. Fortunately, all three had enough power to exit the barrel, just not enough to cycle the slide.
I did notice a little acidic smell when I opened the ammo can, I'm thinking I might have a little powder degradation problem.
Guess I better shoot all that old stuff up and reload it.
Darn...
I've shot shotguns, rifles, pistols and revolvers (and a couple of more interesting military items).
I've had failures to feed and the odd failure to extract, and lots of failures to fire with rimfire ammo.
In all that time, and uncounted thousands of rounds of ammo, I've NEVER had a squib round, a live-fire double feed, or a stovepipe on a centerfire weapon.
While training at the NRA Instructor school, I had two doublefeeds and a stovepipe on a Beretta 92.
Today, I dug out some relatively new reloads (2006) in .45ACP and took my SIG to the pit for a little recreation/training. I had not one but THREE squibs out of 100 rounds. Fortunately, all three had enough power to exit the barrel, just not enough to cycle the slide.
I did notice a little acidic smell when I opened the ammo can, I'm thinking I might have a little powder degradation problem.
Guess I better shoot all that old stuff up and reload it.
Darn...
An empty weapon is just a very expensive hammer.
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Squibs
Downeaster how do you store your ammo?
I am still shooting up 60 year old .45 rounds with no problems.
Powder degradation is 'usually' associated with storage issues such as extreme temperature variations, water damage, etc, etc, etc.
Reloading is probably your best bet if you are already experiencing this problem.
Enjoy!
I am still shooting up 60 year old .45 rounds with no problems.
Powder degradation is 'usually' associated with storage issues such as extreme temperature variations, water damage, etc, etc, etc.
Reloading is probably your best bet if you are already experiencing this problem.
Enjoy!
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Re: Squibs
Stored in sealed ammo cans in a basement that stays 60 degrees or thereabouts pretty much year around. I've shot 20 year old reloads and never had a problem, not sure what's up with this batch, but I don't think it's storage issues.arizona-hermit wrote:Downeaster how do you store your ammo?
I am still shooting up 60 year old .45 rounds with no problems.
Powder degradation is 'usually' associated with storage issues such as extreme temperature variations, water damage, etc, etc, etc.
Reloading is probably your best bet if you are already experiencing this problem.
Enjoy!
An empty weapon is just a very expensive hammer.
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Well if your got that smell off of the powder it's gone bad. Time to fertilize the yard, or burn it off. Basements seam to run high in humidity which is harder than heat on breaking down powders. You may have not got the can sealed good. I'm still shooting powders from the late 70's without any problems.
As far as ammo storage, I have started sealing my reloads with the vac/seal food saver bags. I store 200 rounds/ bag to make it easier to handle.
As far as ammo storage, I have started sealing my reloads with the vac/seal food saver bags. I store 200 rounds/ bag to make it easier to handle.
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I've been working diligently on that problem. Couple of days ago a guy from work came over and we went to the pit and "disposed" of all the 2006 ammo and made a pretty good dent in the 2008 vintage. Did get a couple of more squibs on the 2006 batch.Mr. Nail wrote:Mine either. You cant expect ammo to perform like new when its decades old.
It's a dirty job, but...

An empty weapon is just a very expensive hammer.
That's above and beyond the call of duty.Downeaster wrote:I've been working diligently on that problem. Couple of days ago a guy from work came over and we went to the pit and "disposed" of all the 2006 ammo and made a pretty good dent in the 2008 vintage. Did get a couple of more squibs on the 2006 batch.Mr. Nail wrote:Mine either. You cant expect ammo to perform like new when its decades old.
It's a dirty job, but...
I should have old ammo lying about, but it seems to evaporate. I load it up and next thing I know, it's gone. Mice?
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Lead moths. Boogers will eat it all up on ya if ya ain't keerful. I find that the high temperatures and gasses formed when igniting the main charge tends to discourage them.greener wrote:I should have old ammo lying about, but it seems to evaporate. I load it up and next thing I know, it's gone. Mice?
An empty weapon is just a very expensive hammer.