Mark II 3" barrel

[bigfatdave]

i'd say so.... bonie and clyde, dillenger, machine gun kelly, baby face nelson, etc. didn't seem to care about the not shooting people law. but what do I know, I didn't write it. most laws weren't written to effect the good folks anyhow....

So the law was ineffective and misguided in the first place.
Adding another law to restrict the favorite weapons of criminals doesn't make you and I any safer, it just adds more worthless laws to the books.

Unless you can point to a way that restricting 17.5" shotguns makes anyone safer, of course.

[bgreenea3]

i'd say so.... bonie and clyde, dillenger, machine gun kelly, baby face nelson, etc. didn't seem to care about the not shooting people law. but what do I know, I didn't write it. most laws weren't written to effect the good folks anyhow....

So the law was ineffective and misguided in the first place.
Adding another law to restrict the favorite weapons of criminals doesn't make you and I any safer, it just adds more worthless laws to the books.

Unless you can point to a way that restricting 17.5" shotguns makes anyone safer, of course.

does restricting a speed limit in a school zone to 25 make anyone safer?

and in this case he was a felon, it was loaded, on the seat next to him in his truck, as he was chasing two teenagers down the road that had just used his driveway to turn around so I guess barrell lenght is a moot point in this case.

any how you can own a short barrelled shotgun or rifle, a silencer, or a full auto...if ypu want to go through the batf paperwork.

[bearandoldman]

Little Greener, you can make all the laws you want and it will not really make any one any safe, but it does make the lawmakers feel as if they really saved the day. It is up to guys like you to enforce these laws. You can get permits for all of them illegal weapons, but don't think you can get one for a suppressor/sullener in Michigan. Got a LEO question for you, law requires me to advise a LEA that I am carrying, when I walk into the 7-11 and he is drinking coffee and talking to the rgular guys in the morning? have not told him yet, am I a BG?

[bgreenea3]

you are required to ID if stopped with a MI CCW... that is if they are asking you for your name, ID, etc. you are required to tell them if you are packing. I generally tell CCW holders to tell police that they have a carry permitt even if they are not carrying, it saves them hassle in the long run. Most of the cops I know are not worried about the folks who are packing with a permit.

you can make all the laws you want and it will not really make any one any safe

this i do know...annd like i said earlier I didn't make the law.

[bearandoldman]

Little Greener, that length requirement probably goes back to the 30's when Bonnie and Clyde were shooting things up. Clyde, sure did like the BAR, lots of fast firepower. Jump out of the car with the suicide door and start spraying lead. Actually when you stop someone, you will run the plate onyour computer and you aleeady know if the registered owner has a permit. The townsip where our club is has a few new cars and rhem touch screen computers are dan fast. That would make it about the same age as me. If we have an alarrm at night, I usually meet the offier and shut off the alarm, we have done a late night building seaarch togeter a few times, the local officers and their chief know I normally carry.

[bigfatdave]

does restricting a speed limit in a school zone to 25 make anyone safer?

No!

Driving with an awareness of kids in the street does.
Slowing down around unpredictable and hard-to-see mobile speedbumps does.

But in the end, drivers have a responsibility to not run over kids ... and kids have a responsibility to not run in front of cars.

Posting a sign doesn't make anyone safer, no more than a restraining order makes someone safer, or a stupid law about barrel length makes anyone safer.
People with a propensity for lawlessness and violent felonies don't care about your law/restraining order/gun-free-zone/sign ... the violation of these things is nothing compared to the violent felonies they intend to commit or the acts of negligence they might commit unwittingly.

[bgreenea3]

Little Greener, that length requirement probably goes back to the 30's when Bonnie and Clyde were shooting things up. Clyde, sure did like the BAR, lots of fast firepower. Jump out of the car with the suicide door and start spraying lead. Actually when you stop someone, you will run the plate onyour computer and you aleeady know if the registered owner has a permit. The townsip where our club is has a few new cars and rhem touch screen computers are dan fast. That would make it about the same age as me. If we have an alarrm at night, I usually meet the offier and shut off the alarm, we have done a late night building seaarch togeter a few times, the local officers and their chief know I normally carry.

Most times we don't have the time to run the plate/reg owner or theres no signal or the computers are running slow.

I've done the building search with the owners a few times myself...its nice when you got a freind with ya thats packin'.....

[Bullseye]

Too often folks forget the guy/gal behind the badge is just a regular person trying to do a difficult job well. Sure every now and then you run across someone with a chip on their shoulder but that can happen in any line of work. I always try to be helpful to the officer who is trying to sort the wheat from the chaff, and they've always been grateful for the kindly assistance. Remember, they don't make policy they're just tasked with enforcing it.

R,
Bullseye

[bgreenea3]

does restricting a speed limit in a school zone to 25 make anyone safer?

No!

Driving with an awareness of kids in the street does.
Slowing down around unpredictable and hard-to-see mobile speedbumps does.

But in the end, drivers have a responsibility to not run over kids ... and kids have a responsibility to not run in front of cars.

Posting a sign doesn't make anyone safer, no more than a restraining order makes someone safer, or a stupid law about barrel length makes anyone safer.
People with a propensity for lawlessness and violent felonies don't care about your law/restraining order/gun-free-zone/sign ... the violation of these things is nothing compared to the violent felonies they intend to commit or the acts of negligence they might commit unwittingly.

from expeirience i'm going to have to disagree with you on the speed limit . If people don't have a limit they will drive as fast as they can. freeway speed limit is 70mph, no matter the road conditions folks will drive 70-75, snow, fog, ice....because they can. they crash into something/someone the first thing they say to me is "I was going the speed limit!"

OK you think the barrell length law is silly. I'm ok with that. like I said I didn't write the law.

[tecstar1]

I thought we had laws about NOT SHOOTING PEOPLE before Bonnie & Clyde.
Did we really need more than that?

i'd say so.... bonie and clyde, dillenger, machine gun kelly, baby face nelson, etc. didn't seem to care about the not shooting people law. but what do I know, I didn't write it. most laws weren't written to effect the good folks anyhow....

I don't agree. The laws must have been written for law abiding citizens, Since when did criminals adhere to any law pertaining to them?

[greener]

Well, when the criminal is caught after his spree of robbery, assault, battery, murder and the like we can always add the charge of "illegally modified firearm." The death penalty in Virginia doesn't seem to slow some of them down, but I'm sure an additional minor felony weapons charge would.

[tecstar1]

Yep, that ought to do it. That put's the fear in them. LOL

[bearandoldman]

Yep, that ought to do it. That put's the fear in them. LOL

If that doesn' put fear into themthe 1911 in my back pocket will.
Laws are only obeyed by honest people, BG's have some kind of exemption????

[arizona-hermit]

Does anyone know if Ruger ever produced a M II with a 3 or 3.5" barrel? Aguy offered to sell me one and when I asked about barrel length he said it was 3 or 3.5". The shortest one I can find is the MK-4 which has a 4.75" barrel. There is a 22/45 version with a 4" bull barrel but he said that he had changed the grips on it so I don't think it's a 22/45

Thanks

Jay

Hi Jay,

Ruger made a special run of 4" barrel (3" when measured incorrectly - barrel only) MKII for Lipsey many years ago. You can tell them by the gold trigger and double wide wood grip panels (assuming it is still in stock condition). I love them since they are bull barrels and I only collect bull barrel MKs. Naturally, the first thing I do is replace the grip panels with finger groove, wrap around Hogue's.

These are becoming quite rare nowadays and if you like short barrel 22s, this is a nice one. Just put a red dot on it and you can ignore the short sight plane.