Sometimes things just don't go your way

greener · Post by **greener** » Sat Oct 22, 2011 6:29 pm

http://www.newsobserver.com/2011/10/22/ ... bbery.html

Apparently he didn't seem threatening.

Post by **Bullseye** » Sat Oct 22, 2011 7:10 pm

More than likely his gun didn't seem that threatening to the clerks. Either way they managed to survive that encounter.

R,
Bullseye

greener · Post by **greener** » Sat Oct 22, 2011 11:46 pm

I believe I'd assume anyone brandishing a firearm and demanding something might just fire it, even if by accident.

bearandoldman · Post by **bearandoldman** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 3:43 am

greener wrote:I believe I'd assume anyone brandishing a firearm and demanding something might just fire it, even if by accident.

Someone starts brandishing a firearm at me and I will do the same, most likely putting several holes in the brandisher.

bigfatdave · Post by **bigfatdave** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 4:44 am

http://www.newsobserver.com/2011/10/22/ ... bbery.html

link to "printable" version without the annoying pop-up ad

I'd imagine that someone demanding compliance with a gun as a talisman of authority would be unlikely to continue when they discover that MY weapon isn't a symbol, but an actual working gun.
Of course, avoid, evade, de-escalate first ... but I'm not about to help out a violent felon in any way other than sharing some stored kinetic energy via small pieces of metal.

bearandoldman · Post by **bearandoldman** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 9:19 am

I like you thinking, seem pretty much like mine. They better be quick at making decisions as they have from the time I pull it out until the trigger is pulled to drop theirs. Law says I have a right to shoot until the threat is gone, if they die in the process, that was their choice.

bigfatdave · Post by **bigfatdave** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 6:44 pm

bearandoldman wrote:I like you thinking, seem pretty much like mine. They better be quick at making decisions as they have from the time I pull it out until the trigger is pulled to drop theirs. Law says I have a right to shoot until the threat is gone, if they die in the process, that was their choice.

An armed robber has many goals
* control the situation
* obtain the loot
* avoid identification
* escape without pursuit
... not even adding in being generally worthless/addled/distracted by being just plain nuts
... ... not even considering the possibility of a secondary goal (powertrip time? Feeling a bit rapey?)
... ... ... that's quite a multitasking list!

MY LIST, on the other hand, is much simpler
1 can/should I exit?
2 if no, can/should I shoot to stop?
3 await opportunity, draw, shoot to stop, assume control
4 alert authorities
... also, my list is linear and only requires me to focus on the dirtbags, they have to watch everybody.

SURPRISE!

bgreenea3 · Post by **bgreenea3** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 9:57 pm

I guess the clerks found out how UNdetermined a robber he was....

blue68f100 · Post by **blue68f100** » Mon Oct 24, 2011 9:55 am

It was kind of odd that the employes did not respond to his request, unless they were behind bullet prof glass. It read like he was only after medications and not cash. If he was after cash any customer in the store may have been in danger.

Bigfatdave, I like your thinking. You never now what he's thinking, what he's on or coming off of and how despite he his for his fix, in this case. Always better to look after number 1 (and family) safety first. This is why I prefer conceal carry over open carry, which we do not have in Texas. I want the surprise on my side when the time comes. Were also instructed to shoot till the thread has been stopped, whether it's 1 shot (not likely) or 1 magazine/cylinder.

ruger22 · Post by **ruger22** » Mon Oct 24, 2011 10:39 am

A few more details would be helpful, like how or why the employees could refuse his "request". Maybe his disguise was Mickey Mouse ears........