S&W M&P 9mm

greener · Post by **greener** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 6:07 pm

Bought an M&P 9mm today. At the range I liked everything about the pistol other than a tendency to shoot 4+" low at 10-12 yards. Pretty good groups, but low. Switched ammunition and shooters and the rounds went right where I was putting them. Either I wasn't alligning the night sights properly or this one just shoots low.

Any ides? Writing S&W for their input, but I'm pretty sure the response will be "send it t us and we'll check it out." I'll probably spend a bit more time making sure it isn't a combination of new pistol and shooter doing this.

bearandoldman · Post by **bearandoldman** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 6:37 pm

greener wrote:Bought an M&P 9mm today. At the range I liked everything about the pistol other than a tendency to shoot 4+" low at 10-12 yards. Pretty good groups, but low. Switched ammunition and shooters and the rounds went right where I was putting them. Either I wasn't alligning the night sights properly or this one just shoots low.

Any ides? Writing S&W for their input, but I'm pretty sure the response will be "send it t us and we'll check it out." I'll probably spend a bit more time making sure it isn't a combination of new pistol and shooter doing this.

Or you can do like I did with my SA's, a V10 and a Micro Compact. just filed the front sights down so they would shoot where I wanted them to and re blackened the sight with a felt pen. not the best looking job in the world but they are accurate for me. They are just like me, they may not look that good but they get the job done.

greener · Post by **greener** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 7:33 pm

Agreed, Len. Short of signs of corruption from not taking care of it, I really don't care what the pistol looks like. If I wanted one that looked pretty, then I'd buy a high dollar one with all kinds of engraving and put it on display.

This thing has the tritium night sights. Although I think I was alligning the sights and the target properly, I'll go back and make sure that was doing that. The manual has nada on proper sight allignment. When there were two of us shooting in the same place, either we both were doing it wrong, or that's where the pistol shoots.

bearandoldman · Post by **bearandoldman** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 10:40 pm

greener wrote:Agreed, Len. Short of signs of corruption from not taking care of it, I really don't care what the pistol looks like. If I wanted one that looked pretty, then I'd buy a high dollar one with all kinds of engraving and put it on display.

This thing has the tritium night sights. Although I think I was alligning the sights and the target properly, I'll go back and make sure that was doing that. The manual has nada on proper sight allignment. When there were two of us shooting in the same place, either we both were doing it wrong, or that's where the pistol shoots.

That is probably where it shoota and not operator error.

greener · Post by **greener** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 9:35 am

I emailed S&W and asked them mainly on how they thought the sights should work. Seems to be very little out on the net on proper alignment. Believe Ayoob had one article which says you either align the dots or you don't.

Bud33 · Post by **Bud33** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 5:39 pm

4+ inches at 10 feet is a lot... I'm thinking sight problem...

Are you sighting or pointing???

greener · Post by **greener** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 5:50 pm

Sighting. Played around with front/rear sight positions and could move it up, but that's not great way to "fix" the problem. If I can "fix" whatever is causing it (shooter or pistol), then I can fix the left pretty easily. Seems to be consistent with 123gr and 115gr ammo. Will bang away a bit more and decide if the shooter is doing something strange or it is the pistol. Also, need to shoot from a rest and to check it out. At this range, you are not allowed to shoot from a rest at 7-15 yards.

bearandoldman · Post by **bearandoldman** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 6:01 pm

greener wrote:Sighting. Played around with front/rear sight positions and could move it up, but that's not great way to "fix" the problem. If I can "fix" whatever is causing it (shooter or pistol), then I can fix the left pretty easily. Seems to be consistent with 123gr and 115gr ammo. Will bang away a bit more and decide if the shooter is doing something strange or it is the pistol. Also, need to shoot from a rest and to check it out. At this range, you are not allowed to shoot from a rest at 7-15 yards.

Strane range, what other resttrictions do they have, no rapid fire or draw from concealment? My range will allow most anythign htat uis not unsafe. We even soot boeling pins on Wenesday mornings.

greener · Post by **greener** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 6:35 pm

They allow shooting from benches on the 25yd and longer ranges. On the 7-15 pistol range they do not. That range also has a steel plate covered with 2X6's to keep you from shooting over the berm (a few holes in the wood). Not bad once you get accustomed to it. All ranges are covered, benches are reinforced concrete. Clay ranges have throwers and are nice. Problem is that the range was way out in the stix and now the $400,000 houses are beginning to encroach. Next best choice is Chickahominy Wildlife Management area, run by Virginia's equivalent of the DNR. Nice range but about 60 miles one-way for me. Hours get a bit strange during hunting season.

All are better than one of the local gunships. They charge $8/hr for their range and rumor has it $12.95/50 rounds for .22.

The range I use allows fully automatic weapons (three round bursts); rapid fire; have cowboy action ranges; IDPA events. Nice to see the rich folks out there going full auto at .45 cal. One guy does it and doesn't reload ammo.

bearandoldman · Post by **bearandoldman** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 6:52 pm

greener wrote: Next best choice is Chickahominy Wildlife Management area, run by Virginia's equivalent of the DNR. Nice range but about 60 miles one-way for me. Hours get a bit strange during hunting season.

All are better than one of the local gunships. They charge $8/hr for their range and rumor has it $12.95/50 rounds for .22.

Most outdoor ranges were in the middle of nowhere when the started out but the wannabe country gentlemen built houses on top of each other and call it the suburbs now. Luckily Michigan many years ago passed a law that any ranges that were there before the housing had no right to sue for noise. Clever real estate agents do not show houses on range open days, veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeery clever eeeeeeeeeeh?
My club where we shoot skeet, trap an d sporting clays is like that. The indoor range I frequent allows most anything safe especially depending who you are, has a 10 bay and a 4 bay at 25 yards with automated target carriers that are programmable lie the Scottsdale gun club in Arizona. They normally charge $8.00/half and $15.00/hour but if you have a premium membership as I do it is $6.00 and shoot as long as you want.

greener · Post by **greener** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 7:21 pm

Black Creek shooters is $100/year, unlimited time.

They pulled that trick in Grayling years ago. Loads of expensive vacation homes about a mile or so from the north end of the artillery impact area. Tanks, air guard bombing range and 428 FA BDE with 3 battalions of artillery. They had "quiet periods" and noise control. Never could find a silencer that worked for a TOT consisting of 24 8" howitzers and 18 155mm howitzers.

KZ Rod and Gun club is, I think, $75/year, unlimited time. But it's a long drive from Saginaw. If you ever venture that far Southwest, let me know. My son and son-in-law are members.

Bud33 · Post by **Bud33** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 7:40 pm

I think y'all lost track of the topic

bearandoldman · Post by **bearandoldman** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 9:32 pm

greener wrote:Black Creek shooters is $100/year, unlimited time.

They pulled that trick in Grayling years ago. Loads of expensive vacation homes about a mile or so from the north end of the artillery impact area. Tanks, air guard bombing range and 428 FA BDE with 3 battalions of artillery. They had "quiet periods" and noise control. Never could find a silencer that worked for a TOT consisting of 24 8" howitzers and 18 155mm howitzers.

KZ Rod and Gun club is, I think, $75/year, unlimited time. But it's a long drive from Saginaw. If you ever venture that far Southwest, let me know. My son and son-in-law are members.

Too bad you cannot use a bench at 10 yards, that is the distance I prefer to sight my carry guns at. Whatever you need to shoot hte gun rested and unrested at the same distance and see if they shoot the samo place both ways and then you will know if it is equipment or operator. Just ran a GRAph for .45ACP with sights 3/4 inch above bore line and zero at 10 yards 1/4 high at 25 yards a zero again at 32 yards, just to give you an idea of the true flight line.

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