Santa's "carry"

bearandoldman · Post by **bearandoldman** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 9:49 pm

greener wrote:
toyfj40 wrote:
as a backup to the LCP (Elsie Pea)...
the .380 95gr load calls for 3.0gr of powder at 800fps
the .45 230gr load calls for 4.1gr of powder at 750fps
so how much difference can about 1.1 grains of powder make??

Your big, old, fat, slow 230gr load has about 2x the kinetic energy as the zippy little 95gr .380. Not that I'd volunteer to stand down range and take a few .380's to show they don't hurt.

Rob, you are really beginning to show some intelligence in your older years, I really don/t want to stand in front of any faxt moving projectile, even a fast moving rock will hurt you, look what a stone did to Goliath.
What was it Jeff Cooper answered when they asked him why he caarried a .45? They don't make a .46. wonder what he would say if he s=aw some of the hand CANNON cartridges of today.

greener · Post by **greener** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 10:00 pm

bearandoldman wrote:Tex, by the way, I use nothing but Wilson Combat mags in all of my guns, because they have functioned flawlessly in all three. I can even use the full size mags in the little guns but they do stick out a little. Having 6 or7 for each gun will give me a lot of fire power.
As far as grips I like the Hogue wraparounds, bought my V-10 used and it had a set on it and I liked it. Have some really nice wood grips for all of the 45's but have a set of Hogues on each of them. They just feel good in your hand.

I didn't like the grips that came with my Taurus and replaced them with Hogues. The Hogues aren't much for looks, but they are darned comfortable and fit well. Of course, if I were buying for looks, I probably wouldn't have bought the Taurus.

toyfj40 · Post by **toyfj40** » Sat Jan 10, 2009 11:01 am

Greener wrote: "toyfj40": as a backup to the LCP (Elsie Pea)...
the .380 95gr load calls for 3.0gr of powder at 800fps
the .45 230gr load calls for 4.1gr of powder at 750fps
so how much difference can about 1.1 grains of powder make??

Not that I'd volunteer to stand down range and take a few .380's to show they don't hurt.

it's not as if I could hit anything with it, beyond 10m

--toy

bearandoldman · Post by **bearandoldman** » Sat Jan 10, 2009 11:07 am

toyfj40 wrote:
Greener wrote: "toyfj40": as a backup to the LCP (Elsie Pea)...
the .380 95gr load calls for 3.0gr of powder at 800fps
the .45 230gr load calls for 4.1gr of powder at 750fps
so how much difference can about 1.1 grains of powder make??

Not that I'd volunteer to stand down range and take a few .380's to show they don't hurt.
it's not as if I could hit anything with it, beyond 10m

--toy

Toy, your Elsie Pea and my 3PAT were not intended for much more than across the room shooting and I don't mean across the grand ballroom either

toyfj40 · Post by **toyfj40** » Sat Jan 10, 2009 4:03 pm

well... "it works"
was able to hit a steel silhouette at 50yds fairly consistently
with my home-grown-bullets(tm)

-- toy

Post by **Bullseye** » Sat Jan 10, 2009 4:27 pm

Home grown bullets? Are you casting your own now?

By the way - Nice form for slow fire shooting.

R,
Bullseye

toyfj40 · Post by **toyfj40** » Sat Jan 10, 2009 4:43 pm

oops... no: not 'casting' any HotLead.
( I have enough trouble not burning myself with a cup of coffee )

I loaded some 230gr with ~4.5 gr of HP-38
to keep them on the light-side for the first batch...

It was breezy... so, I figger I was aiming right...
just the wind was blowing the lead off to the side...

( the photos were posed, to "keep it safe" for the camera-man... )

-- toy

Post by **Bullseye** » Sat Jan 10, 2009 4:45 pm

It may have been posed but that's the right stance!

R,
Bullseye

greener · Post by **greener** » Sat Jan 10, 2009 4:52 pm

Wouldn't try 10M, you might have a wild shot.

I had a 5-round session with an LCP a while back. Seemed like a pretty good shooter. Liked it better than the Kel Tec. Thought I'd get one when they were a bit more available.

bearandoldman · Post by **bearandoldman** » Sat Jan 10, 2009 4:55 pm

greener wrote:Wouldn't try 10M, you might have a wild shot.

I had a 5-round session with an LCP a while back. Seemed like a pretty good shooter. Liked it better than the Kel Tec. Thought I'd get one when they were a bit more available.

Don't see much difference between them, other than the logo and the last shot hold open, a target gun they ain't, but at 7 yard they should get the bullet within 2 minutes of felon.

toyfj40 · Post by **toyfj40** » Sat Jan 10, 2009 5:02 pm

Bullseye wrote:It may have been posed but that's the right stance!

yep. my visit to Camp-Perry ( ? '04) paired me up with a NC Nat'l Guard
"instructor"... he was direct, firm and thorough...
I need to spend more time reminding my reptilian-brain
how to put it all together...

'G': the LCP trigger pull is about the same as the barrel-length!!
I plan to load some .380-lites to see if I can adjust myself to
how to "let my finger-pointing" do my aiming...

'OM': I do have one spare-mag for the LCP and may get another
after the shock of some tweaking of the 1911.
Yes, all recommendations are for the Wilson-Combat Mags...
I have Packmayer rubber-wrap grips on my Cmdr,
and will consider the Hogue (they're cheaper, too) ...

-- toy

Post by **Bullseye** » Sat Jan 10, 2009 5:04 pm

Ah, yes good old SAFS class. Well that trooper did good.

R,
Bullseye

bearandoldman · Post by **bearandoldman** » Sat Jan 10, 2009 5:26 pm

toyfj40 wrote:
Bullseye wrote:It may have been posed but that's the right stance!
'G': the LCP trigger pull is about the same as the barrel-length!!
I plan to load some .380-lites to see if I can adjust myself to
how to "let my finger-pointing" do my aiming...

'OM': I do have one spare-mag for the LCP and may get another
after the shock of some tweaking of the 1911.
Yes, all recommendations are for the Wilson-Combat Mags...
I have Packmayer rubber-wrap grips on my Cmdr,
and will consider the Hogue (they're cheaper, too) ...

-- toy

Tex, I would 't waste the money on a 3rd mag for the .380, that ia not a gun w=that you are going to shoot that much. As my Mentor told me, the fastest reload is a 2nd gun and that is a good use for the .380's as they are not much bigger than an extra mag for the .45.
Yes the rigger pull is about the barrel length, never thought of it that way before.
Like I mentioned before, I bought my V-10 used and it had the Hogues on it and I liked them so much I bought a pair for the Micro and one for the full siz gun also. The V-10 has a 3.5" barrel, just a little shorter than a Commander and the same grip size as an Officers Model I think, the Micro has a3" barrel and an aluminum frame ans at 2# loaded is my favorite carry.
My experience with the Wilson mags, can't think of anything bad to say about them.

greener · Post by **greener** » Sat Jan 10, 2009 8:47 pm

Toy: My Ruger P90 and most of the centerfire Ruger semi-autos I've tried seem to have a yard of pre-travel. If I switch from something with a crisper, shorter pretravel trigger to my P90, I really notice the difference. Guess it's a good safety feature. You aren't going to pull the trigger unless you mean to.

bearandoldman · Post by **bearandoldman** » Sat Jan 10, 2009 8:51 pm

greener wrote:Toy: My Ruger P90 and most of the centerfire Ruger semi-autos I've tried seem to have a yard of pre-travel. If I switch from something with a crisper, shorter pretravel trigger to my P90, I really notice the difference. Guess it's a good safety feature. You aren't going to pull the trigger unless you mean to.

Uness you are in a club in NYC and carry it in yu sweat pants and shoot yourself in the leg, must be an NFL player is a prerequisite. Th trigger on my Kel Tec hs a long trave but you can feel it fairly well but not as good as the doubl action pull on good S&W revolver.