Another sear problem for Bullseye

Fuzzy_two · Post by **Fuzzy_two** » Wed Mar 24, 2010 6:42 am

After installing the VQ sear I had 2 issues, the first is there is no post travel after the hammer falls, I mean no travel. This is probally ok, but I am wondering if this could be contributing to excess trigger pull (about 3 1/2 lbs}, trying to overcome the binding? Also just before the hammer falls, there is some slight "creep" you can feel, not much but you can feel it. Next issue was the safty won"t go all the way to the safe position, (detent ball not all the way up}. Removed the barrel and the safty catch is locking the sear fully, but looks like the safty catch groove needs to be a bit deeper or the sear need to be a bit smaller. Gun will not fire while in safe position, but is very easy to move from safe to fire position. Does any of this make sence. The sear was bought from Rimfire sports and is not suppose to be a bargin bin sear. Any help on this issur would be appreciated..

blue68f100 · Post by **blue68f100** » Wed Mar 24, 2010 9:48 am

Welcome to Guntalk-Online.

One user reported that the sear he got from VQ was out of spec too tall. What you describe is the same thing.

Most of the time the creep comes from the hammer/bushing looseness. But you can feel the sear/hammer friction at times as they slide if a long engagement. Normally the Clark MKII bushing will eliminate all of the creep. But if the Sear is too tall it can induce creep since the angle will not be correct. Do you have the VQ trigger or the factory Ruger trigger installed? And do you have an aftermarket bushing installed.

Post by **Bullseye** » Wed Mar 24, 2010 9:07 pm

Welcome to Guntalk-Online!

The problem you've described seems to be more common from VQ's product line lately. All I can say is they shouldn't have messed with the process that produced tens of thousands of drop-in cast Ruger sears with few failures. This new EDM process they've gone to is causing a host of problems with products that are clearly out of tolerance. Your experience is more common lately, even though the safety hook issue is somewhat rare. But, the safety issue is indicative of a sear that is not in spec. This is why Ruger will not sell sear parts as they often have to be fitted to the individual pistol for all the dynamic components to operate safely.

There's no rescuing your VQ sear. If you call VQ they will send you a new one and ask for your other in return so they can examine it.

I only hope that they get this situation under control because if they don't they will alienate their customer base. And when making aftermarket parts is your main business plan, losing customer confidence is a company killer.

R,
Bullseye

bearandoldman · Post by **bearandoldman** » Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:03 pm

Bullseye wrote:Welcome to Guntalk-Online!

The problem you've described seems to be more common from VQ's product line lately. All I can say is they shouldn't have messed with the process that produced tens of thousands of drop-in cast Ruger sears with few failures. This new EDM process they've gone to is causing a host of problems with products that are clearly out of tolerance. Your experience is more common lately, even though the safety hook issue is somewhat rare. But, the safety issue is indicative of a sear that is not in spec. This is why Ruger will not sell sear parts as they often have to be fitted to the individual pistol for all the dynamic components to operate safely.

There's no rescuing your VQ sear. If you call VQ they will send you a new one and ask for your other in return so they can examine it.

I only hope that they get this situation under control because if they don't they will alienate their customer base. And when making aftermarket parts is your main business plan, losing customer confidence is a company killer.

R,
Bullseye

Looks like this was a case if it really wasn't broke so, why did they fix it.

Post by **Bullseye** » Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:12 pm

$$$$

R,
Bullseye

bearandoldman · Post by **bearandoldman** » Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:18 pm

Bullseye wrote:$$$$

R,
Bullseye

Aaaaah yes, greed powers all!!!!!!!!!!

Fuzzy_two · Post by **Fuzzy_two** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 6:17 am

I called VQ and talked to Nick and explained the issues to him and he wants me to send the rcciever to him and he will make it right. He said there would be no charge to me. Now thats what I call customer service. I will do business with them again. After I get it back I will update the thread.. Thanks to you Bullseye for this great forum. By the way everything in the gun is stock except for the sear, but will probally install a Clark bushing later..

Post by **Bullseye** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 6:47 am

Nick shouldn't want the receiver, he should want the grip frame. The receiver has nothing to do with the sear and trigger operation. The receiver is a controlled part and would need to be transferred via FFL to FFL. By examining the sear in your frame, they can better assess why these new sears are causing failures to release. From what I'm seeing a few thousandths of extra material on the back of the sear's disconnector tab would solve the problem.

VQ has always had great customer service.

R,
Bullseye

HEADKNOCKER · Post by **HEADKNOCKER** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 9:00 am

I'd also bring up the problem with the safety not working properly with thier sear, I had the same problem with my MKII & a VQ Sear..
I assume it's because the sear is too tall as deepening the notch in the safety cured the problem on mine..
Good Luck & keep us informed of the progress..
Gary

Fuzzy_two · Post by **Fuzzy_two** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 2:08 pm

My bad, I meant grip frame. Posted this early this morning... Not enough coffee....

bearandoldman · Post by **bearandoldman** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 2:45 pm

Sure am glad I bought the sears for my 22/45 MarkII's before they started making the "new and improved" ones.

Fuzzy_two · Post by **Fuzzy_two** » Fri Mar 26, 2010 6:22 am

Headknocker, when I talked to Nick at VQ, I told him about the saftey issue and I could modify the saftey catch and he said he did not recommend modifing any factory part. That told me he realizes there must be a problem with the "new and improved" sear, and hopefully someone can make a change in how the sear is made, or tighter specs. ect. Thought about ordering another VQ sear for my other Mark II, but until this issue is resolved, I think I will hold off. There again, I could send him BOTH grip frames and kill 2 birds with 1 stone.

greener · Post by **greener** » Fri Mar 26, 2010 7:39 am

bearandoldman wrote:Sure am glad I bought the sears for my 22/45 MarkII's before they started making the "new and improved" ones.

I've bought a couple in the last year. No problems with them. Must have come from the old parts bin and not the new and improved bin.

oldpal · Post by **oldpal** » Fri Mar 26, 2010 11:21 am

I got a VQ sear from Midway about three weeks ago, installed it and my 22/45 functions OK, I believe. The trigger pull weight is not as low as I thought it would be, but I'm not complaining. I don't have a trigger scale, but the hammer falls when I hang the pistol with red dot sight by the trigger. The pistol with sight weigh 2.4 lb.

Hugh

Fuzzy_two · Post by **Fuzzy_two** » Tue Apr 06, 2010 7:52 pm

Update on the VQ sear, got the grip frame back from VQ today. assembled the upper, pulled back the bolt, and squeezed the trigger. All I can say is WOW, Nick at VQ did a super job on the sear, can't even tell when the sear releases the hammer, kinda caught me off guard the first couple of times. The bill in the box just said "Fit sear to grip frame". For those following the thread, the saftey also works perfectly. Thought about ordering another sear for the other MKII, but will probally just srnd the grip frame to VQ and let Nick fit it for me. Dont get me wrong, sear replacement is something I can do, but dont want to go through the trouble I had with this one. They have the best customer service I have ever seen, will do business with them in the future..