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getting better .

Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 2:37 pm
by keithj
well had today off so I went to the range and worked on my Bullseye shooting. Out of a possible 500 I scored 469/9x . the X count would have been higher but I was adjusting my sights . I should have had right at 16 x still not all the great but I'm getting there.I'm hopeing for scores in the 480's /500 very soon and X counts in the mid 20's. Ive got till next fall to practice ,a local gun shop is building a range and will be haveing indoor 50ft bullseye shoots starting then weeeeeeeeeee.........cant wait.
Keith

Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 3:33 pm
by Bullseye
Practice all you can and your scores will continue along that upward trend. You're doing fine. Try to stay on a more regular match course score; 300 points per course (slow, timed, and rapid). If you want to shoot two then 600 points for the pair.

R,
Bullseye

Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:12 pm
by keithj
Bullseye wrote:Practice all you can and your scores will continue along that upward trend. You're doing fine. Try to stay on a more regular match course score; 300 points per course (slow, timed, and rapid). If you want to shoot two then 600 points for the pair.

R,
Bullseye
so I should shoot 30rds each .slow ,time & rapid for a total of 900 is that correct? Right now I'm still working on technic, stance and the like also havent been able to shoot much ,only shooting about twice a month but with winter fast approaching I hope to shoot wkly.
Keith

Practice

Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 12:39 pm
by stork
Good shooting Keith :D ,
That puts you solidly in Expert class.

Take Bullseye's advice and shoot National Match Course's (300 pt matches). Keep a log book of your scores and more importantly notes on what was working and what wasn't. It doesn't have to be anything fancy, just a small notebook you can keep in your shooting box.

FWIW

Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 5:39 pm
by Bullseye
Keith, that is 100 points per level (slow, timed, and rapid) for a total of 300 points per match course. Shoot through the levels twice and you have a 600 point total.

R,
Bullseye

Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 8:37 pm
by keithj
O.K. Bullseye I understand now . 10rds each slow ,timed & rapid. for 30rds do that twice for 60rds and thats a complete match.

Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 8:50 pm
by keithj
Stork
Thanks for the kind words. But I need to explain ,I shot 50rds slow fire to get that score . I did no timed or rapid fire at all so ..............just thought I needed to explain but now that I know what a match is I'll try and shoot one this wkend ................I'll be useing B-2 and B-3 targets to shoot it and all shooting will be done from 50 ft. I'm still in the building stages my wobble circle is getting smaller but by the time I fire 50rds slow fire most steadyness goes to dodo........My technic is getting better each time I go to the range I learn something about stance and breathing that helps my score climb alittle each session .........my main practice session consists of 50-60rds slow fire but I plan on starting to work some timed in starting this next session ...............I believe rapid fire will be my hardest to devolpe and I wont start on that for several months once I get things good in slow and timed I should have a solid platform on which to build rapid fire on .......................................Keith

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 9:09 am
by blue68f100
I don't shoot bullseye but you may find that rapid fire is easier. Once you find a rythem you will be surprised as to how easy it is. Mainly because you do not have to hold the gun still for longer periods of time.

Practice

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 10:34 am
by stork
Keith,
Don't apologize for that score slow fire. That's great shooting!!!

Slow fire has always been my downfall, so I am envious. I have nanoseconds of brilliance followed by eternity's of mediocrity. I normally shoot 88-90 for slow fire. Occasionally I have a 96 or 97, but I also have shot 82 in matches (thankfully very rare). I have dozens of TF and RF 100 targets shot at matches but only one slow fire 100, and that was shot in practice. I know I take too much time to perfect the shot. Last summer at Camp Perry I had 2 (YES 2) saved rounds on slow fire because I ran out of time. When you can't get 10 rounds off in 10 minutes you need to get kicked where you sit because you're overthinking the shot.

I find timed and rapid fire much easier. I normally shoot 97-100 timed fire and 98-100 in rapid fire. I know I take too much time to perfect the shot in both slow fire and timed fire, where rapid fire is just stance, natural point of aim, and trigger control. I have been experimenting just shooting the TF stage at the same cadence of my RF stage and averages are coming up.

Now I have to kick myself in the butt and work on my slow fire stage. Perhaps I need to shoot my SF in the same cadence as RF.

FWIW

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 11:29 am
by keithj
Well stork I'm gonna try some timed and rapid this wkend I hope , and I'll let you know what I come up with. slow fire is all that I have practiced since getting started in this form of shooting and each time I go to the range I find something that helps my scores . last sesson I learned that If I take a deep breath use good poschure raise the gun let half of my breath out and crack the shot I find that my 10 shot groups are getting tigther. this is of course in conjunction with stance And natural piont of aim and proper grip. I can normally shoot 50-60 rds in a hour ,this includes loading mags, chaneging targets and even relaxing for a few minutes to help with fatigue. My first 40rds are usually the best then I start to get shakey . I find that it helps to crack the shot within say 5-7 sec's max or just forget it and start again , Since you feel timed and rapid are easyer maybe I'll surprise myself :wink: . I find bullseye shooting to be very challanging and like it alot, and its more rewarding that any other shooting Ive done in the past. But if it where easy I wouldnt find it fun ..........Keith

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:19 pm
by Hardball
Sound like you are understanding slow fire. Good job. If timed and rapid is completely new, don't go for speed yet. Shoot two consecutive shots. Discover the look and feel of a good recoil management and recovery at the sights and in your hand. Second step is to release the first good shot within 1-2 seconds of the commence fire command. Third is to know that "rhythm" refers to the repeated recovery process in your hand. Not just trigger presses.
http://www.bullseyepistol.com/
http://www.nrahq.org/compete/RuleBooks/ ... -index.pdf
Hold it just right, point it right there, let it fire, keep holding it just right.....

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 5:05 pm
by keithj
Hardball :
I wouldnt say Timed and Rapid is completely new BUT Ive never really did it correctly . Went to Radio Shack today and picked up a timer and then I went to Wally world and got a 10x Monocular so I'm all set for this wkend I'm gonna try and shoot a 300 at least for sore and the rest will be just practice .I'll post my results if there not to horrible :wink: I find that once the clock starts running everything changes . I shoot IDPA and I can mentally good thru the course fiqure out where to reload and such but once that timer beeps I usaully screw up on something so 5 shots in 10/20 secs is gonna be frustrateing at first ..............Might just use the spray and pray method :lol: just kidding.
keith