Another satisfied MKIII owner...

[greener]

hogdogs, you just gave me a reason to think the loaded chamber indicator on the MKIII's is not useless. Your shooter has one more chance to observe something on the pistol that will tell him there is a round in the chamber.

I like the simplicity of the four rules of firearm safety attributed to Cooper that start "all guns are loaded..." I do my darndest to follow them and I try to teach them to new shooters.

Nice thing about the MKIII is that, if you don't like the mag safety, you can remove it fairly easily. I've thought about removing it on mine but I found it doesn't change the way I handle or shoot the pistol. I have a MKII and discovered that I treat the MKII and the MKIII exactly the same in that respect.

This topic seems to generate a lot of strong opinions among Ruger owners that I don't see with other pistols.

[melchloboo]

I think maybe its we don't like seeing a manufacturer go overboard with the safety devices. I was really struck how much crap came in the box for the ruger, including a trigger lock, some padlock device, a bunch of keys, etc. Its like they don't want people to shoot the thing.

I know I'm exaggerating, but I got the impression that most of the safety devices were added to satisfy corporate lawyers and not the consumer. Safety devices are sometimes OK if the consumers want them. But nobody wants to see engineering driven by fear of lawsuit.

[Bullseye]

Alright gents I think this one should go into the, "Agree to disagree category." I'm not fond of the mag safety disconnector but it's intended purpose is a sound one. I simply chose to disconnect it in my personal pistols and that is why I published various methods for other owners to do the same, if they choose; It is called "Free will."

The old style Loaded Chamber Indicator was capable of firing a cartridge and this is not a rumor - it was a fact. I'm the person who did it, and as soon as I discovered this dangerous condition I forwarded my testing results to Ruger. They did not agree with my testing methods, and claimed it couldn't be done, that was until I sent them a video of the event. When they saw the video they immediately shut down the Mark III production line for two months and totally redesigned the rimfire LCI. The new style two piece LCI will not fire a cartridge, I've tried every way possible to make sure.

I also have a nice thank you letter from Steve Sanetti for my work. If you wish to see the letter then click on these links.

http://www.guntalk-online.com/images/Rgr_TYltr_1.JPG
http://www.guntalk-online.com/images/Rgr_TYltr_2.JPG


R,
Bullseye

[hogdogs]

Pretty cool to be the ONE that got a major safety issue addressed!!! Pretty dern neat if you ask me...
Yes I have spoken my piece and will agree to disagree. My sig on several forums is "WARNING labels are the life support for the terminally stupid... I didn't need to see a dern cartoon image of a severed hand or foot to know to keep my hands from under the mower deck and I was 7 years old. My dad did also instruct me to disconnect the spark plug for additional safety. Too bad he forget to tell me to wait til the evil mower is shut off to pull the plug wire off!
Brent

[greener]

Bet it only took one try to remember to shut the mower off.

What's obvious about safety usually isn't. Years ago I heard a DJ state that he was the founding member of the "Klutz Klub." To be a member you had to be missing the tips of several fingers. He said the easiest way to join was to lift a running mower by sliding your fingers under the deck. He said his club had several members.

[toyfj40]

Membership in any such "club" requires an early introduction
in order to perfect the requisite skills... --toy

[bearandoldman]

As far as the lawn mower thing, that was a reality because some idiots did it and sued the manufacturers. I was a service tech on mowers and other lawn equipment for many years, in 1981 they made all mowers shut off when you released the handle bail or some other thing. They had to have a clutch/brake to stop the mower blade or shut off the engine when the operator left the normal operating are. That pushed up the cost of mowers at least 2 to 50 bucks a unit. COMMON SENSE is not really that common at all. It is really amazing the chain saws are still manufactured and sold to the general public because there is no more dangerous power equipment made. You have no idea how much of the cost of a chain saw is set aside for LIABILITY INSURANCE by the manufacturer.
Guns, knives, power tools are all safe, it is the operators that are unsafe.

As far as i am I am concerned ther are raely and accidental discharges of a firearm, most of them can be checked off as NEGLIGENT not accicental.

Tex are those picture of you in your youth fixin to do some home repairs.

[greener]

I can't remember who said "common sense isn't all that common."

[kc5gxc]

I read somewhere that it also has to do with selling firearms in CA.
Pete

[hogdogs]

Ya'll feel free to hi-jack on the subject of warnings and safety gadget crap.
I agree we are in this state due to frivolous law suits etc. But how did we get here?
I think it all started with FDR and the "saving" of America which never was ended at the end of the depression.
It is a sad state that in a time when a recipe for bombs and medications are available on the WWW folks need these...
On peanut butter jars... "allergy warning... contains peanuts"
On sour cream bowls... "allergy warning... contains milk"
On a soda bottle you find a warning like that of the Red Ryder bb gun "You could put yer eye out..."
Why no warning inside and out of a car door saying "if'n yer dumb ass slams yer fingers in the door you may have broken or severed fingers"?
On a COFFEE cup it says "Caution contents HOT" but on a Big Mac it don't say "Caution contents fattening and may cause heart disease".
Leave my guns alone and put this warning on me...
"Caution this person is a proud redneck and if you intend to impede upon his constitutional right to life liberty and happiness in any way he may ATTACK YOU"
Brent

[bearandoldman]

Ya'll feel free to hi-jack on the subject of warnings and safety gadget crap.
I agree we are in this state due to frivolous law suits etc. But how did we get here? but on a Big Mac it don't say "Caution contents fattening and may cause heart disease".

Brent

It all boils down to $$$$$$$, let's sue someone because we are either too lazy or stupid to take care of ourself, so we want the guvmint to do it.
Now they want to post the calories etc of all fast food in the restaurant.
As far as me, I am too damn old to run and also to do manual fighting, so mess with me to do any harm and I will just shoot you multiple times. Guns, never leave home without at least one and preferably two or more.

Never though I would see adds on tv looking for people to sue some one like dial 1--800--dog bite.

[Song Dawg]

Though we often hear of the scam lawsuit in connection with firearms there are countless valid incidents which occur daily destroying lives as a result of scam products and services.
Though most manufacturers are prudently attempting to market safe products we've learned far too often that when safety and profit come to push and shove, profit generally wins.
You need not look any farther than the countless products from foreign countries which inundate us annually with literally no safety oversight! I know of several cases from poison dyes to spontaneously exploding cap gun caps which have left kids maimed for life through no fault of their own. Big corps would like nothing more than for us to be helpless in seeking recourse.
There are still a few places in this country for the average man to seek legitimate recourse and be heard: the school board meeting, the town hall, the union hall and the courts. They define us as Americans!

SD

[saluki_chris]

I have decided to re-install the detent ball for the bolt assembly to reverse the "slingshot" modification. There is no practical purpose for performing this modification (it saves .1 seconds). I have also decided that the necessity for me to modify my pistol by manipulating its guts is inexistent. I also wanted to add that I appreciate Bullseye's 22/45 maintenance page for its detail.

[hogdogs]

hey Saluki, To each his own... And I too am extemely glad to have these detailed instructions by Bullseye. I push my junk outta the way in front of my monitor and do my work right here at the puter....
Brent