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New ban on .22 ammunition

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 12:58 am
by jaeger45
(More) Bad news from Kalifornia...
Joel wrote:http://venturacountystar.com/news/2007/ ... mmunition/
New ban on .22 ammunition
Anti-lead rules designed to protect condors
By Timm Herdt (Contact)
Saturday, December 8, 2007


New rules on .22-caliber ammunition will apply only to areas where the endangered California condor roams, including the Big Sur area, above.

SACRAMENTO — California hunting regulators Friday broadened a prohibition on lead bullets scheduled to take effect July 1, adding .22-caliber ammunition to the ban.

The new rules will apply only in those areas where the endangered California condor roams — generally, the coastal mountains from Monterey south to Ventura County and in the southern Sierra.

The action by the Fish and Game Commission follows enactment of a landmark law signed by Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger this fall that bans the use of lead ammunition by deer hunters in the affected areas.

Lead poisoning is the leading cause of sickness and death among condors in the wild, and condor researchers say bullet fragments in the carcasses of fallen animals are the principal source of the poisoning.

Conservationists praised the regulations, adopted on a 3-1 vote.

"This is another victory for the California condor," said Graham Chisolm of Audubon California. "The commission took the right steps to ensure that the new law is implemented in a way that makes the most sense for both the condor and hunters."

"These regulations go above and beyond the scope of the law," said Pamela Flick, state program director for Defenders of Wildlife.

She noted that the law would have provided an exemption for .22-caliber ammunition, which is typically used to shoot non-game animals such as ground squirrels and black crows. Alternatives to lead ammunition for .22-caliber rifles is not yet commercially available.

Adrianna Shea, the commission's deputy executive director, said commissioners hope their action will spur manufacturers to produce nonlead alternatives. Copper bullets are already available for larger caliber rifles that are typically used for deer hunting.

She noted the dissenting vote of Commissioner Jim Kellogg was based solely on his objection to including .22-caliber ammunition in the ban.

Shea said the commission's action was independent from the law, and Friday's vote simply completed a regulatory process the commission initiated months ago.

The regulations also go one step beyond the law by banning not just the use but also the possession of lead ammunition in the affected areas. That distinction, she noted, will make it easier for wardens to enforce the ban.

Schwarzenegger in October signed AB 821 by Assemblyman Pedro Nava, D-Santa Barbara, over the objections of firearms manufacturers and gun-owner groups, including the National Rifle Association.
This is bad news! You can be in trouble for simply being in possesion of 22lr ammo in Condor protected area! The lead ammo ban has just opened up the floodgates.... Only a matter of time before the ban gets broadend to include all of California! The bad this is that there is not even a 22lr alternative....
http://progunfilipino.20.forumer.com/vi ... =3215#3215

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 5:29 am
by toyfj40
thanks for posting that.
something's "fishy"...

why would Lead-Metal be harmful if swallowed by a bird...
when humans have regularly consumed it and had it
left inside their guts when it was more dangerous to remove it...

besides, why would a Condor get sick from .22-ammo
and not other calibers...
and why would other birds, fish and mammals not be dying
on the shooting ranges across the country for years...

Shooting Ranges get acused of this from time to time,
it's the Lead-Oxide that is in the paint (and other substances),
not the Lead-Metal. The metal is not "digested/absorbed",
it's just passed on thru...
well, except for some of us that have it collect in our butt !! :P

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 6:46 am
by Bullseye
Nothing California does surprises me anymore, that's why I left there 10 years ago.

R,
Bullseye

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 10:46 am
by Blindpig
Bullseye wrote:Nothing California does surprises me anymore, that's why I left there 10 years ago.

R,
Bullseye
Me, too. I left there in 1960 after college and have only been back to visit a few times. They haven't minted enough money to get me to move back there now.

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 9:28 pm
by Bullseye
My bride keeps talking about moving back someday, she was born and raised there. I just smile a little and nod nope, because there's absolutely no way I'll ever move back to California. It was a nice place to live twenty years ago but a lot has changed since those days. I too visit from time to time but that more than satisfies my desire for the California sun.

R,
Bullseye

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 11:40 pm
by Bud33
Does this mean it's OK to shoot the condor as long as you don't use lead ammo???? :roll: :roll: :roll:

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 1:11 am
by Song Dawg
It's the endangered species status that has it getting all the attention.

Yeah, this place sucks! Tell all your friends! :wink:
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SD

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 5:26 am
by jaeger45
It's a matter of priorities-

What we can live with- or without.

Each man to his own brand of poison, I always say.

That's what America is all about.

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 12:08 pm
by Blindpig
C'mon, Song Dawg. You know those pictures were taken in Colorado! :lol:

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 10:41 pm
by Song Dawg
Blindpig wrote:C'mon, Song Dawg. You know those pictures were taken in Colorado! :lol:
Blindpig,
There's a bunch of folks who believe CA is LA and SF and that's it!


Keep the myth alive....... PLEASE!!!!!!! :D

SD

Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 10:49 am
by Blindpig
I'll keep your secret, Song Dawg. You certainly don't want another influx of us Okies out there! :lol:

Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 9:09 pm
by Song Dawg
My better half of 40 years is one....Can't pay okies a better compliment than that.
COME ON DOWN...or more accurately....up! :D

SD

Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 10:49 pm
by greener
SD, I'm glad to see that your state is leading the way!

Nice pics.

Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 12:20 am
by jaeger45
Song Dawg wrote:My better half of 40 years is one....Can't pay okies a better compliment than that.
COME ON DOWN...or more accurately....up! :D

SD
I see that I'm in good company.

Going on 43 years now, and counting!!!... :D :D :D

Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 3:03 pm
by Song Dawg
jaeger45
Speaking of endangered species The "wedded bliss" 40+ club certainly qualifies! :D

SD