Cocked & Locked

smokey · Post by **smokey** » Mon May 25, 2009 6:47 am

I usually cary a S&W M&P 40C which is double action only. I always have a round in the pipe simply because I believe the BG may not give me time to rack the slide. I also have a Colt Combat Commander that I love and would like to carry more often but I am a little uncomfortable carrying cocked and locked for safety reasons. I may just be paranoid. I was wondering what the opinions are here on this? Am I overly paranoid?

Smokey

Post by **Bullseye** » Mon May 25, 2009 7:49 am

I usually carry "Mossad style" or 'Israeli draw" with a condition 3 pistol. I have extensive training in this method and as a result have become very efficient with it. Having an empty chamber is not for everyone but I prefer it for the safety factor. Clearing the pistol is much easier at the end of the day too. Just about everyone I've demonstrated this technique for has commented, "WOW, If I could do that as fast as you, I'd carry that way too!" It takes a lot of practice to get right. Once you've got the technique down it is a smooth, fast, and efficient way to employ a weapon.

R,
Bullseye

bearandoldman · Post by **bearandoldman** » Mon May 25, 2009 9:33 am

Bullseye wrote:I usually carry "Mossad style" or 'Israeli draw" with a condition 3 pistol. I have extensive training in this method and as a result have become very efficient with it. Having an empty chamber is not for everyone but I prefer it for the safety factor. Clearing the pistol is much easier at the end of the day too. Just about everyone I've demonstrated this technique for has commented, "WOW, If I could do that as fast as you, I'd carry that way too!" It takes a lot of practice to get right. Once you've got the technique down it is a smooth, fast, and efficient way to employ a weapon.

R,
Bullseye

Used to do the same thing myself and as very good at it also.If you bring the pistol up sideways or homeboy style , push with one hand and pull with the other it is on smooth swift motion. But then what if my left hand is occupied to push an innocent aside or fend off the BG???????? It takes a hand gun and make it a HANDS gun. Actually the safest way to carry a 1911 is cocked and locked, have done it for many years. Once you get used to it you are ll right. Carry an SA Micro in a hip pocket holster because that is what is comfortable for me. Other's opinions may vary.

Downeaster · Post by **Downeaster** » Mon May 25, 2009 4:50 pm

When I carry my Commander, I carry it cocked and locked. The holster I carry it in places the retention strap between the hammer and the slide, which I view as an extra layer of safety.

My thinking is that the weapon is designed with redundant safties for just that reason, and when I decide I need it, I'm going to need it RIGHT NOW!

JMHO, YMMV.

smokey · Post by **smokey** » Tue May 26, 2009 6:42 am

Thanks for the feedback guys. I figured there would be some mixed views on it.

greener · Post by **greener** » Tue May 26, 2009 10:26 pm

Then there are those of us who carry a wheel gun and don't have to worry about that slide thingy.

I like the Israeli draw and have seen some folks who are darned good with it, but it takes constant practice to maintain proficiency. When I carry a semiauto, I have one in the chamber.

Tigerbeetle · Post by **Tigerbeetle** » Wed May 27, 2009 2:08 pm

I carry my .380 with one in the chamber. As stated, a double action only, and it doesn't have a manual safety. Unless someone gets inside my belt, it isn't going off. And with any CC pistol - or any weapon for that matter - you don't put your finger in the trigger guard until you are ready to use it.

Hi Ball · Post by **Hi Ball** » Sat May 30, 2009 12:28 pm

Smokey....I carried a Colt 45's for years, locked & cocked! Also with a revolver as back up in .38spl Colt Dimondback. Nowdays I don't carry the 45acp but have gone to the Sig Sauer pistols in DA/SA mode. I always keep a round in the chamber, not wanting to give any odds to the Bad Guys. My carry gun nowdays is a Sig P-226 with extended mag (14rounds) and back up is a Sig P-232 which will soon be exchanged for a solid 9mm P.380 auto. Soon it will be replaced with a 9mm Parabellum or Luger known in the USA.

Now when that pistol is drawn, my index finger of the shooting hand is pointing toward the target, alongside the frame, NOT in the trigger guard or on the trigger, until I decide it is time to fire the pistol. There are NO safety's to thumb off or even think about and the 40cal is easier to control than most short frame 45acp's. It is also faster and flatter shooting too.

smokey · Post by **smokey** » Sat May 30, 2009 12:36 pm

Hi Ball wrote:Smokey....I carried a Colt 45's for years, locked & cocked! Also with a revolver as back up in .38spl Colt Dimondback. Nowdays I don't carry the 45acp but have gone to the Sig Sauer pistols in DA/SA mode. I always keep a round in the chamber, not wanting to give any odds to the Bad Guys.

Now when that pistol is drawn, my index finger of the shooting hand is pointing toward the target, alongside the frame, NOT in the trigger guard or on the trigger, until I decide it is time to fire the pistol. There are NO safety's to thumb off or even think about and the 40cal is easier to control than most short frame 45acp's. It is also faster and flatter shooting too.

That is basically my feelings on it. My normal carry pistol is a S&W M&P 40C which is DAO. I was just wondering what other opinions were.
Thanks, Smokey

KAZ · Post by **KAZ** » Sat May 30, 2009 1:31 pm

Add another of the trigger finger along side, condition one group. Even when I'm out just plinking with no one else around and only safe shots I'll look down between shots and my finger is along side the guard without thinking about it. I believe this to be second in gun safety only to the #1 RULE of the muzzle never pointing at anything that would be harmed by a round going off. If I was going to carry my 1911 I would do so cocked and locked. Regards

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