45 long colt

Hakaman · Post by **Hakaman** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 10:51 pm

It will be a while yet before I buy a another new hg (at least 2 weeks,

). I was wondering if the die set for reloading 45acp would work for 45colt. Some differences in ballistics would be appreciated as well, as well as any other comments. Here's a question as well: What is your favorite 45colt pistol?
Thanks, Haka

Downeaster · Post by **Downeaster** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 4:55 am

Hakaman wrote:It will be a while yet before I buy a another new hg (at least 2 weeks, ). I was wondering if the die set for reloading 45acp would work for 45colt. Some differences in ballistics would be appreciated as well, as well as any other comments. Here's a question as well: What is your favorite 45colt pistol?
Thanks, Haka

No, ACP dies won't work with LC.

I'm lovin' my Ruger Blackhawk Convertible. Only complaint I have is that I haven't found a rubber aftermarket grip that will fit it, so I wear padded gloves when firing the hot ones.

LC ballistics are all over the map. You can load anywhere from wussy little target loads up to bear killers with 300 grain bullets. With a strong gun (like the Blackhawk) you can load it to .44 Mag levels no problem.

If you get one of the Colt SAA clones (Uberti, ferinstance) you need to be REAL careful as they are not as strong and the hot loads will break them.

greener · Post by **greener** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 7:29 am

Downeaster wrote:
Hakaman wrote:It will be a while yet before I buy a another new hg (at least 2 weeks, ). I was wondering if the die set for reloading 45acp would work for 45colt. Some differences in ballistics would be appreciated as well, as well as any other comments. Here's a question as well: What is your favorite 45colt pistol?
Thanks, Haka
No, ACP dies won't work with LC.

I'm lovin' my Ruger Blackhawk Convertible. Only complaint I have is that I haven't found a rubber aftermarket grip that will fit it, so I wear padded gloves when firing the hot ones.

LC ballistics are all over the map. You can load anywhere from wussy little target loads up to bear killers with 300 grain bullets. With a strong gun (like the Blackhawk) you can load it to .44 Mag levels no problem.

If you get one of the Colt SAA clones (Uberti, ferinstance) you need to be REAL careful as they are not as strong and the hot loads will break them.

Uses the same shell plate as the .44 mag on the Lee Pro. All else is .45 colt. There is some debate on whether the .45 colt is as versatile as the .44 mag, but buying a .45colt Blackhawk has cooled my jets for a .44 mag. Darned versatile round. I also have the .45 BH convertible. Shoots colt and acp darned well.

I do not like the hard rubber grips Ruger recently put on its SA revolvers. They do not look "right" and they were not pleasant shooting hotter loads with the BH. I swapped the rosewood grips from my single six and like those much better. Rumor has it that the new SA's with internal locks need different grips than the older ones. Haven't noticed any problems.

greener · Post by **greener** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 7:33 am

You can load anywhere from wussy little target loads up to bear killers with 300 grain bullets.

I prefer the term pittipat for my loads.

Hakaman · Post by **Hakaman** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 3:44 pm

I'm lovin' my Ruger Blackhawk Convertible. Only complaint I have is that I haven't found a rubber aftermarket grip that will fit it, so I wear padded gloves when firing the hot ones.

Nice looking setup here:
http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firearms/ ... 3&return=Y

LC ballistics are all over the map. You can load anywhere from wussy little target loads up to bear killers with 300 grain bullets. With a strong gun (like the Blackhawk) you can load it to .44 Mag levels no problem.
I also have the .45 BH convertible. Shoots colt and acp darned well.

I pretty much like the "wussy" loads. **********How does a rimless cartridge like a 45acp stay put in a revolver cylinder?

I prefer the term pittipat for my loads.

Again,I pretty much like the "wussy" loads.

Downeaster · Post by **Downeaster** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 4:49 pm

The Convertible uses a separate cylinder for the ACP rounds, which headspace on the case mouth. Other brands (S&W Model 25, ferinstance) use a half or full moon clip to adapt a rimless round to a revolver.

(interesting note: Buddy of mine that shoots competitively just had a 686 .357 converted to use full moon clips on rimmed rounds! Says it cut nearly 2 full seconds off his reload times. He just pre-loads however many he need to get through a stage, flips the cylinder open, drops it in clip and all, shuts it and commences blasting. He probably spent more on that conversion than I'd be willing to spend on an entire gun...)

Just jerkin' yer chain on the "wussy" thing.

I fire a LOT more target stuff than I do full-boogie Rambo Rounds. Just nice to know you CAN if you want to. I have a fairly hot load (about 90% of recommended max) that I carry for deer hunting.

Greener, yer right on the grips. Hogue has some dandies that I would LOVE to use, but they won't fit due to that stupid, liability-lawyer, nanny-state internal lock. I called both Hogue and Pachmeyr and neither has nor intends to make grips to fit it.

Gah...

Hakaman · Post by **Hakaman** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 5:52 pm

The Convertible uses a separate cylinder for the ACP rounds, which headspace on the case mouth.

I'm going to have to do some research, 'cause it still isn't clear to me how the 45acp is held in place?

Just jerkin' yer chain on the "wussy" thing.

Truthfully, I like the light loads for target shooting.
HHHaka

Downeaster · Post by **Downeaster** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 6:16 pm

In the .45ACP, the bullet is smaller in diameter than the case mouth. The case mouth is NOT roll crimped so there is a small but definite square "edge" on the front of the case.

The cylinder is bored just deep enough that the mouth of the case hits a small "ledge" in the chamber. The rest of the chamber is bored at or near the same diameter as the barrel.

greener · Post by **greener** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 7:02 pm

.45 colt on left and .45 ACP on right. Didn't pay much attention to the technical details of the round fit, I let Ruger handle that.

Really "old" Blazer Brass .45 ACP I'd forgotten about, $11.97/box.

The .45 colt round is 250 lfp w/6.7 gr universal. I also load some with 5.4 gr Bullseye. Slightly above pittipat (wuss, pittiwussypat?).

bearandoldman · Post by **bearandoldman** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 7:39 pm

Downeaster, did you ever see Jerry Miculek do a reload with his full moon clips. well act wally you just about have to solowmo to see him do it. He is blazingly fast, like 12 shots in 4 seconds?

Figure that the did it that way, if not they would fall right through my 1911's.

greener · Post by **greener** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 9:14 pm

Just jerkin' yer chain on the "wussy" thing. Cool I fire a LOT more target stuff than I do full-boogie Rambo Rounds. Just nice to know you CAN if you want to. I have a fairly hot load (about 90% of recommended max) that I carry for deer hunting.

No problem. I can say that my loads are above loads and I do have a few"whee doggies" loads. But other than making loud noises to wake other shooters up and a bit of fun, these do just fine for black paper dot hunting. I shoot the same load for 230 gr, so at 250 they have a mild snap. Nice thing about that round and revolver, you can go up and down the scale. I've heard the perfect target round was 250gr with 10gr WSF, but I haven't tried that yet.

Greener, yer right on the grips. Hogue has some dandies that I would LOVE to use, but they won't fit due to that stupid, liability-lawyer, nanny-state internal lock. I called both Hogue and Pachmeyr and neither has nor intends to make grips to fit it.

+ a whole bunch on the blankety-blank internal lock. At least Ruger hides these under the grip. Ruger has Rosewood grips with a special parts number for the internal lock models. Didn't feel like dropping $40 to find out what the difference was. I asked about the difference on a couple forums and got no response. The grips I'm using came off a pre-lock single six. The external fit is perfect. The rubber grips seem to be a bit more scalloped out on the insides, but I have had no problems with either revolver since I made the swap. Although the rubber grips do ok on the single six I perfer the slightly fatter rosewoods. Besides the gun just don't look right with the rubber grips.

Might be worth the price of Hogues to find out if there is really any difference.

Hakaman · Post by **Hakaman** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 10:37 pm

This website helped me out alot, as well as your inputs.
thanks, H

http://www.surplusrifle.com/shooting/he ... /index.asp

Hakaman · Post by **Hakaman** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 11:04 pm

This website answered my question: How does a rimless cartridge like a 45acp stay put in a revolver cylinder? Probably better phrased: What stops the forward movement of a 45acp in the chamber(cylinder)?

Scroll down to the picture of the 45acp in the chamber, and it shows the shoulder (answer to my question) in the chamber "stopping" forward movement.
http://www.cruffler.com/trivia-October99.html
tanks, Hak

ps...bear with me, I'm still learning

Downeaster · Post by **Downeaster** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 4:52 am

greener wrote: (snip) Although the rubber grips do ok on the single six I perfer the slightly fatter rosewoods. Besides the gun just don't look right with the rubber grips.

Might be worth the price of Hogues to find out if there is really any difference.

I agree on the appearance. I put the rubber Hogues on my Single Six to see if they fit properly. They did, but they were FUGLY, and recoil-absorbing grips on a .22 is just silly.

Clem · Post by **Clem** » Wed Aug 26, 2009 9:23 am

.45 Colt and .45 ACP are a great combination for the Ruger NMBH. I have had my .45 ACP cylinder modified to allow the use of .45 Auto Rim ammo. Now I use .45 AR in my .45 NMBH and S&W 625.

The 625 will shoot loose .45 ACP, but in recent years S&W lengthened the chambers, so the short standard firing pin tends to produce some misfires if the ammo isn’t held in clips. For those like me who don’t want to fool around with clips, a longer firing pin will correct the situation. Cylinder & Slide shop, among others, makes them.

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