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Post by Hakaman » Tue Feb 05, 2013 10:22 am

Received this info in an email:
Pulled this from JEP Firearms Facebook Page.

https://www.facebook.com/JEPFirearms/po ... 5073644600

Smith & Wesson-is running at Full capacity making 300+ guns/day-mainly M&P pistols. They are unable to produce any more guns to help with the shortages.
RUGER: Plans to increase from 75% to 100% in the next 90 days.
FNH: Moving from 50% production to 75% by Feb 1st and 100% by March 1.
Remington-Maxed out!
Armalite: Maxed out.
DPMS: Can't get enough parts to produce any more product.
COLT: Production runs increasing weekly...bottle necked by Bolt carrier's.
LWRC:Making only black guns, running at full capacity...can't get enough gun quality steel to make barrels.
Springfield Armory: Only company who can meet demand but are running 30-45 days behind.
AMMO: Every caliber is now Allocated! We are looking at a nation-wide shortage of all calibers over the next 9 months. All plants are producing as much ammo as possible w/ of 1 BILLION rnds produced weekly. Most is military followed by L.E. and civilians are third in line. MAGPUL is behind 1 MILLION mags; do not expect any large quantities of magpul anytime soon. RELOADERS!!!! ALL Remington, Winchester, CCI & Federal primers are going to ammo FIRST. There are no extra's for reloading purposes....it could be 6-9 months b/f things get caught up. Sorry for the bleak news, but now we know what to expect in the coming months.

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Post by Bullseye » Wed Feb 06, 2013 7:00 am

All trying to beat any deadline set by future legislation, as are the consumers. Component parts are getting scarce too, for reloading or firearms repairs.

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Post by charlesb » Wed Feb 06, 2013 7:09 am

Now the purchase of rounds by the billion by govt agencies is making a bit more sense.

- An attempt to disrupt the market, make ammunition difficult to obtain.

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Post by bgreenea3 » Wed Feb 06, 2013 11:29 am

charlesb wrote:Now the purchase of rounds by the billion by govt agencies is making a bit more sense.

- An attempt to disrupt the market, make ammunition difficult to obtain.
You do realize the US is and had been at war for 12 years? The government has to have the rounds to fight and to train new soldiers as well as maintaining their ammo stockpile invade of a major breakdown in their supply lines.
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Post by Hakaman » Wed Feb 06, 2013 2:22 pm

I don't think the Gov is hoarding ammo, they do have an amount they do need
for the military to protect the country. If there is anyone to blame it's 'Joe-Consumer,
because he is the one hoarding in panic. We are our own enemy inre of supplies.
It's good to stand up for 2nd amendment issues adamantly, but it's plain ignorance
to hoard supplies. Just look at the position gun owners are in right now, can't get &*$@ right now.

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Post by charlesb » Wed Feb 06, 2013 9:35 pm

I was talking about federal agencies, not the army.

I'll try to dig up one of the news stories about it.

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Post by bgreenea3 » Thu Feb 07, 2013 4:33 am

I think it was 4 million rounds, and when you think about training and issuing ammo to all agencies that carry guns, BATFE, FBI, HOMELAND SECURITY (COAST GUARD), ICE, DEA, ETC. 4 million does't really sound like a whole lot.
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Post by Bullseye » Thu Feb 07, 2013 6:39 am

I do not see this as an excessive amount of ammunition for use by the federal law enforcement agencies. The US Army is budgeted for the procurement of small arms ammunition for all the regular armed services, with Special Ops and other small unique units having the power to procure ammo on their own behalf through special budgets set aside by congress.

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Post by charlesb » Thu Feb 07, 2013 7:58 am

https://www.fbo.gov/utils/view?id=50009 ... cf105309c3

Note that listed quantities are in thousands. - So when you see quantity listed as 521 for example, that is 521 thousand.

On the second page, note that "Unit price is per thousand rounds."

This paper covers some, but not all DHS acquisitions for that year. What it covers are the purchases from a single supplier, to a single agency.

It does not cover purchases by the US Army, which does not utilize JHP rounds, 40 caliber, etc..

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Post by Hakaman » Thu Feb 07, 2013 10:23 am

charlesb wrote:https://www.fbo.gov/utils/view?id=50009 ... cf105309c3

Note that listed quantities are in thousands. - So when you see quantity listed as 521 for example, that is 521 thousand.

On the second page, note that "Unit price is per thousand rounds."

This paper covers some, but not all DHS acquisitions for that year. What it covers are the purchases from a single supplier, to a single agency.

It does not cover purchases by the US Army, which does not utilize JHP rounds, 40 caliber, etc..
Is what you are saying that these purchases are not normal purchases? They didn't happen like this prior to all the 'gun ban' talk? I notice a whole lot of purchasing going on, but isn't this normal? I feel the avg gun owner is hoarding right now and that's the main issue.
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Post by bgreenea3 » Thu Feb 07, 2013 3:24 pm

Charleslb, how many agencies/agents does this cover? They have to issue ammo and reissue ammo every so often so the agents aren't carrying old ammo that might not go bang. Also they have to train and qualify each agent also. That adds up to a lot o boolits.
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Post by charlesb » Fri Feb 08, 2013 5:59 am

Here another 21.6 million rounds is reported being purchased by DHS - in addition to the 1.6 billion rounds already purchased over the last ten months.

http://www.infowars.com/dhs-purchases-2 ... mmunition/

Read the whole thing.

One must wonder what kind of DHS 'training' requires enough rounds to shoot each man, woman and child in the US six or seven times, or to support a level of activity equivalent to the height of the Iraq war - for thirty years.

Ammunition prices being as they are, I hate to see our tax burden being jacked up like this, to say the least. It strikes me as being unreasonable.

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